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Call Summary: Holy Ghost Talent Agency and Christian Secret Society Vision
Overview
Pivotal strategic conversation where Gary shared being proposed as founding fellow of a Christian secret society by two mentors (Mike Ajouz and Santi Montoya), leading to profound exploration of what the devil fears most and culminating in the breakthrough concept of a "Holy Ghost Talent Agency" - a covert infrastructure for making charismatic Christian parents and teachers famous to drive the microschool movement.
Key Topics Discussed
Christian Secret Society Vision
Initial Proposal:
- Two mentors sat Gary down proposing a "secret society for Christians"
- Focus on impactful men who can "pull off crazy shit"
- Gary articulated value of same-gender groups for uncensored strategic conversations
- Distinction from historical corruptions (Greeks, Romans, Epstein) - this would be "biblically being men"
Core Identity:
- Men "willing to die for Christ" but not in performative ways ("biker jackets")
- Intensity and "all-in-ness" as differentiator from lukewarm Christian groups
- Example of courage: Gary's friend Isaiah doing journalism in Lebanon, funded by Gary
- Key question: "Who are the most dangerous people to the devil?"
Gary's Assessment of Real Courage:
"Real courage today is not dunking on trans people... probably very, very few people doing that are actually courageous. There was a time when it was courageous when woke was the regime... but now it's like punching down. Power changed."
Alex's Spiritual Struggle
Navigating Secular New York:
- Surrounded by secularity, uncertain how to conduct business with non-Christians
- Tension between "willful blindness" approach and biblical mandate to evangelize
- Specific challenge: working with Jewish clients who seem unreceptive to Christ
- Gary offered: "The wealth of the wicked is laid up for the righteous" - framing business as wealth transfer
Personal Growth Areas:
- Acknowledged vaping and fapping as vices to conquer
- Philosophy: tackle one vice at a time, "four years to conquering my vices"
- Goal: "Be the living, breathing embodiment of the more righteous way"
Identity and Faith:
"I feel like I'm not really that Christian. I'm not as good of a Christian as I need to be. So am I really the right person to be telling other people what to do?"
Who the Devil Fears Most - Brainstorm
Alex's Answers:
- People bringing awareness to sinful behavior (though "porn is bad" alone doesn't move needle)
- Tucker Carlson - promoting Christian lifestyle
- Strong mother-father households
- Teachers - sparking curiosity leads to self-guided truth-seeking
Screwtape Letters Insight:
"Screwtape always says not to use science, philosophy... you can't have humans actually learning anything. Instead, try to convince the human that he already knows everything."
AI and Learning Crisis:
- Alex raised concern: children may feel they don't need to learn because AI provides answers
- Analogy: nobody knows phone numbers anymore, nobody knows directions
- Gary: "Brain atrophy is going to be a real thing... just like soul atrophy"
The Breakthrough: Christian Propaganda Strategy
Gary's Self-Discovery:
- Realized he's a "propagandist for Christ"
- Background in woke activism and TikTok proves capability
- Better as "meta strategist" (like Steve Bannon) than face of specific initiatives
- Outward stereotype: "Christian engineer that's pretty good at engineering for being a Christian"
The Education Pitch Crystallized:
"My pitch to my funders is I'm gonna do whatever it takes to make it so that being a Christian kid is way better than being an atheist kid... I want to show that being a Christian is profitable in every sense of the word."
Holy Ghost Talent Agency Concept:
Core Model:
- Find charismatic Christian parents and teachers who are "opinionated but shitty at social media"
- Secretly provide infrastructure: video editors, content strategy, distribution
- Own their pages/likenesses like a talent agency
- Take percentage of booking deals, speaking deals, book deals
Key Innovation:
"What about Holy Ghost writers?... Holy Ghost Talent Agency"
Alex's Validation:
"The right personality is a startup. They get booking deals, speaking deals, book deals - you get a piece of that."
Distribution Power:
- Alex: "There's an entire industry built around the education crisis... all the ed tech companies are going to need this network. You become their go-to distribution method."
- Gary: "Maybe I literally own the pages of these parents... I'm an agent, talent agent"
- Alex referenced Scott Boras (MLB agent averaging $100M annually) as model
Success Metrics Defined
2026 Goals for Christian Microschool Movement:
- Thousands of parents signing up to send kids to Christian microschools in Texas
- Hundreds of teachers signing up to lead microschools
- Specific mechanism: "Identify and help make certain parents and microschool guides famous"
Funding Sources Identified:
- Mike Ajouz ("the Lebanon guy") - general support for Gary
- Prenda - Mormon founder open to religious microschools, Texas expansion
Alex's Personal Updates
Armenian Woman from LA:
- Met on Bumble through algorithm quirk (paths crossed at New Hampshire airport)
- 34 years old, works as nurse, lives with parents
- Regular phone conversations, virtual movie nights
- Planning to visit NYC next month
- Alex concerned about long-distance logistics
Gary Shared:
- Friend Ien Chi meeting future wife through uncle with 100% matchmaking success
- Both ready to "jack up" (commit quickly) given age and readiness
Mutual Friend Chris Discussion
Trading Struggles:
- Chris trying to compete against machines trained on algorithms
- Emotional handicap compounds technical challenges
- Alex: "He's fighting with the skill of knowing what to do AND has to contend with his emotions"
Gary's Prophecy:
"The AI Age will require great salespeople like him. Once he realizes that door is available, he'll crush it."
- Chris's strength is charisma and sales, not math or technical execution
- Will eventually make "a ton of money doing sales" and mentor young people
Key Quotes
On Courage:
"Real courage today... my friend Isaiah, if he does journalism in Lebanon, that's courage, bro."
On Christian Education Vision:
"I'm gonna do whatever it takes to make it so that being a Christian kid is way better than being an atheist kid."
On Personal Calling:
"I think God wants me to be a propaganda guy for him. I'm really good at hyping things up."
On the Agency Model:
"Maybe it's like a network of propagandists... a propaganda guild."
On Learning and AI:
"Brain atrophy is going to be a real thing... just like soul atrophy."
Alex on Distribution Value:
"If you own that community... there's infinite doors. Even if you don't use the information yourself, it's just so valuable."
Action Items / Takeaways
- Holy Ghost Talent Agency - Gary to develop talent agency model for Christian education influencers
- Texas Microschool Focus - Target thousands of parents, hundreds of teachers for 2026
- Dual Funding Strategy - Leverage Mike Ajouz (general) and Prenda (specific) backing
- Scott Boras Model - Study sports agent economics for Christian talent representation
- Alex Review Request - Gary to send draft document for Alex's feedback
- Chris Intervention - Share insight about sales being his true calling in AI age
Observations
Gary's Evolution:
- Recognizing his gift is at the "meta" level - strategist not operator
- Embracing propagandist identity after initial resistance
- Finding creative frame ("Holy Ghost") that makes the work feel sacred
Alex's Role:
- Continues as essential thought partner for Gary's biggest breakthroughs
- Provided the "talent agency" connection that crystallized the concept
- Grounds Gary's visionary thinking with practical business models (Scott Boras, NIL deals)
Collaborative Dynamic:
- Gary: "I called the right guy"
- Breakthrough emerged from dialogue, not solo thinking
- Alex's vulnerability about his own faith struggles created space for authentic exploration