Extended Theological Dialogue: Gary Sheng & Kai Salazar - Schertz Walk Encounter

Date: September 22, 2025 Location: Walking in Schertz, Texas Participants: Gary Sheng (@gary-sheng.md), Kai Salazar (@kai-salazar.md) Duration: Extended conversation (approximately 2+ hours) Context: Spontaneous encounter during Gary's walk in Schertz, developing into deep theological and personal dialogue

Executive Summary

This transcript captures a profound spontaneous encounter between Gary Sheng and Kai Salazar, a young believer met during a walk in Schertz, Texas. The conversation evolves from casual introduction to deep theological dialogue covering cessationism, spiritual gifts, healing ministry, identity struggles, and authentic Christian living. Kai emerges as a remarkably mature young believer who has recently overcome significant personal trauma and identity confusion through deepening faith. The dialogue demonstrates the hunger among young believers for authentic Christianity beyond institutional "churchianity" and reveals the transformative power of genuine spiritual encounter.

Key Participants

Gary Sheng

• Software engineer exploring documentary work on miracles
• Former atheist now committed to advancing God's Kingdom
• Developing relationships with healing pastors and miracle workers
• Passionate about authentic Christianity vs. institutional religion

Kai Salazar

• Young man living in Schertz, Texas
• Son of juvenile detention facility worker
• Recent overcomer of drug addiction and identity confusion
• Demonstrates sophisticated theological understanding despite youth

Major Themes and Discussions

1. Initial Connection and Ministry Calling

Gary's Documentary Vision:

Gary: "I'm exploring doing a documentary documenting miracles... if I were to distill what I think needs to happen to get a lot of people over the edge of faith... is knowing that we serve a God of miracles. A very powerful God that enables us to cast out demons... and heal the sick."

Kai's Immediate Spiritual Recognition:

Kai: "I'm a huge believer... It's been a long, long year and it's been a lot of conversation with God, so yes."

Divine Connection Acknowledgment:

Gary: "Well, maybe God connected us."
Kai: "Oh, I'm sure he did."

2. Theological Debate: Signs and Miracles

Kai's Initial Cessationist Position:

Kai: "Jesus said in this generation there will be no signs. And I find that very important because now we have media... that's why it's important that there are no signs... because then everybody would believe. But that is control."

Gary's Continuationist Response:

Gary: "On the other extreme... the denial of signs... is also satanic, right? Because it is a source of his power... if we deny the promise that God gave us through the Holy Spirit to heal people... we're just literally blaspheming."

Scriptural Clarification: Discussion of Matthew 12:39 where Jesus calls demands for signs "an act of a wicked and adulterous generation," with Gary clarifying this refers to demands from wickedness, not prohibition of all signs.

3. Gary's Conversion Journey

Atheist Background:

Gary: "I grew up atheist... I started to think about the question of God as an atheist growing up."

Kanye's Gospel Influence:

Gary: "Kanye did this thing in 2019 mostly. 2020. Where he brought a whole gospel choir around... the YouTube was enough for me to be like, wow, what is going on here? It's beautiful."

Grandmother's Prophetic Word:

Gary: "My grandma was like on a family FaceTime. She lives in China. She just broke down in tears one day and said, believe in God. And I was like... I didn't really know how to react, but I just never forgot that."

Intellectual Journey to Faith:

Gary: "Ultimately, you have to believe that he rose from the dead... if you believe that there's no real evidence that he didn't... then it's like, okay, well, how do you explain that using science?... It's not explainable. The whole point was that it's not explainable. And so he's proving that he's God."

4. Healing Ministry and Spiritual Gifts

Gary's Healing Testimony:

Gary: "I have a newish friend who... her whole head was super swollen. She had three cancers in her head. And then like... not through chemotherapy... but through divine healing... it all went away."

Strategy for Skeptics:

Gary: "Everyone is mortal. Everyone gets sick at some point in their life... that's the avenue that I'm exploring... if this person was literally on their deathbed. Doctors gave them like two weeks to live or whatever... But then like laying hands with someone highly anointed... led them to be miraculous."

Cessationism Critique:

Gary: "Baptist... is one of the strongest believers [in cessationism]... Orthodox and Catholic basically... have learned strategically... to minimize how much they talk about divine healing... But it's not a ritual. It's just like... does the individual healer have the anointing from God?"

5. The Holy Spirit as "Cat vs. Dog"

Gary's Profound Metaphor:

Gary: "The Holy Spirit is more like a cat than a dog... the dog is just super loyal to the house... the institution... you're not going to master the whole... you're not going to enslave the Holy Spirit... you're not going to contain it within your Catholic parish or Vatican City."

Kai's Appreciation:

Kai: "That's an amazing way to put it... that's a really... wow..."

Spiritual Environment Requirements:

Gary: "If you're not creating a hospitable environment for the Holy Spirit that feels like super reverent... not pretentious... not like industrial... not like commercial... you're gonna find very few churches... that are mega churches that do healing miracles."

6. Logos Theology and Divine Order

Gary's Theological Framework:

Gary: "In the beginning there was the word... but in Greek it was Logos... Logos means divine ordering of everything... Christ was the Logos... the divine logic of the universe made flesh."

Objective Reality Discussion:

Kai: "That is everything."
Gary: "Right? Because otherwise... what anyone says is like... Oh, well... sure, maybe that's... He... I am the objective reality... I created the objective reality. I embody it."

Jesus as Definition of Good:

Gary: "Even the way that we can define what good is... we just like... whatever Jesus did. Which is actually really important... because otherwise good could mean... cutting off your dick... That... I mean... that's literally what's happening."

7. Prayer and Spiritual Discipline

Prayer as Divine Frequency:

Gary: "Really the main thing that I'm praying for these days... prayer should be seen as getting in tune with the frequency of God... so you can... when he's nudging you in certain directions... you're like responsive."

Kai's Response:

Kai: "That's a good way to put it actually... that's a really good way..."

Spiritual Surrender:

Gary: "I'm prioritizing emptying myself and just being like... God what do you want me to do... I don't care what my will is anymore... the only will that matters is God's will."

8. Baptism in the Holy Spirit Experience

Gary's Supernatural Encounter:

Gary: "When we shake hands... he's like... whoa... I just saw fire... coming from my hand to yours... and then I was like... whoa... I felt that already... he puts... and like... my whole body's vibrating... and it's not like I... I didn't come in with an expectation or reference point."

Kai's Recognition of Faith:

Kai: "I commend you for your faith... first off... that's a big deal... for you to actually go up and ask... especially if you... because from my understanding... you have a good understanding of all these things... but even to still ask... and not know."

Intellectual vs. Experiential Faith:

Gary: "Intellectual understanding... is very different... from being like... fuck it... I give up... all notions of my skeptical... atheistic... like prideful... judgmental self... I'm like... fuck it... I'm gonna just receive it."

9. Kai's Personal Testimony and Transformation

Childhood Trauma Revelation:

Kai: "There was one time where I was in eighth grade... My mom... she says to me... are you hard?... And then she checks. She like grabs my dick... and for years I thought nothing of it... there were a few instances where that happened."

Identity Confusion Period:

Kai: "It crushes your identity. And so, in that, I started to develop my own... there was a good two-month period I considered myself non-binary... I even considered maybe I'm gay... I was so mad at women that I wanted no part with them. I was so mad at men. I wanted to be my own thing."

Spiritual Breakthrough:

Kai: "The closer you get to God, the more these things kind of just, it's like a... it's like a coating... the way that I've been thinking has been different... these thoughts are just gone... I was writing and I was about to kind of try to figure out... who am I? Who is my identity in this non-binary sense? And in that it was... I had the Bible in my hand and this pad in my hand. It was like, the more that I tried to hold onto this, it just hurt."

Clear Identity Declaration:

Kai: "First off, I was born a man. If I was supposed to be born a woman, I would have been born a woman... biologically, we're made to fornicate with women. I've done it. I like that... My identity is in Christ. I am a man. My children will not be confused on whether who they are."

10. Spiritual Warfare and Demonic Influence

LGBT Issues as Spiritual Illness:

Gary: "I have spiritually powerful friends... in the Christian faith that think that all the LGBT stuff is spiritual illness. That can be cast out... there's actual demonic spirits... occupying them... influencing their thoughts to various levels of possession."

Kai's Ongoing Spiritual Battles:

Kai: "It's happened twice so far. Every time I feel this. I'm really getting in the faith. There's a weird night... it's like a whisper. It's fear, raw fear that will just come over me."

Spiritual Resistance Strategy:

Gary: "He probably knows that he's gonna lose you. So you can... just say no and like in Jesus name, that kind of thing."

11. Cultural Critique and Music

Hip-Hop's Spiritual Impact:

Gary: "I used to love hip hop... It's hard for me to fully separate... But I don't have any desire to listen to hip hop anymore... the message and the frequency."

Kai's Agreement:

Kai: "I'm actually so glad you brought that up because that is something I've just kind of undergone... It really makes you speed up... It does. And it stresses you out... if you're hearing these things and saying, oh, I'm going to go kill this dude. Oh, I want to go sleep with that girl."

Gary's Analysis:

Gary: "It's a great accelerator of your will, not God's will. And your carnal instincts... love songs... they're so self-centered... it makes the listener more self-centered."

12. Institutional Christianity Critique

Sunday Christianity Problem:

Gary: "The main people that will persecute me for asking these questions is not Jews... it's not atheists... it's going to be Christians... because I'm forcing them to look at themselves... what are you actually doing when you're going to church for two hours a week?... your life is almost indistinguishable from an atheist that wants to have a normal family... except that you go to church on Sundays."

Lukewarm Faith Challenge:

Gary: "If you fully believe that Jesus is Lord... which you will go to heaven... maybe... but if you feel like it matters to come into the fullness of the faith... you would want to... as soon as possible... know what that even means."

13. End Times and Political Spiritual Warfare

Trump and Spiritual Dynamics:

Gary: "I've had so many people say to me that God told them to pray for him and even vote for him... if God told them to vote for Donald Trump... And let's say it's true that Donald Trump did all the kids. What conclusion should we make?... God is always using imperfect instruments to carry out his will."

Democratic Party as Spiritual Opposition:

Gary: "Kamala would spend four years making it harder to be an actual Christian... all the LGBT stuff is spiritual illness... It's a special kind of evil... that she thinks that it's just a natural thing... and there's actually not evil that could occupy you."

Satan's Rules of Consent:

Kai: "That's actually their rule. They have to tell you. They have to tell you the things that they're doing. That way, when it is done and you don't do anything about it... you don't get in trouble."

14. Submission and Discipline Struggles

Kai's Generational Challenge:

Kai: "Submission... sometimes that word to me can be very frustrating... and I think I see common patterns in a lot of... a good amount of people my age... and I think a big part of it is discipline... or lack of... you can take a bunch of people who... with fathers who didn't really know any better either."

Christ's Servant Leadership Model:

Kai: "God comes as a servant... can you imagine what that must have felt like... that day he knew he was going to die for a bunch of people who did not deserve him... he knew these people couldn't... that was the whole reason... these people could never amount to it."

Crucifixion Reality:

Kai: "Died one of the most excruciating... I mean the word excruciating derives from crucifixion... it is one of the most painful ways to die... all these nerves right here... it's the same with your feet... and you don't even die from that... you'll die from asphyxiation."

15. Future Vision and Calling

Gary's Ministry Strategy:

Gary: "If I were to say what I hope... I would be happy if... if God wanted it to be part of my legacy to... be like yeah... with Gary's... with various things that Gary helped create... the church buildings were always kind of full of people that were praying all the time."

Prayer-Centered Community:

Gary: "I think people should be praying for like three hours a day... I think the Holy Spirit can dwell in people and it can dwell in places that are almost like consecrated because of how much they were... fertile... just like good habitats for the Holy Spirit."

Kai's Receptivity:

Kai: "Gary, I really enjoyed this conversation... let me know how that documentary goes, man. That's a cool thing."

Spiritual Insights and Revelations

The Nature of True Revival

The conversation reveals that authentic revival requires:

• Deep, sustained prayer (hours daily, not minutes)
• Hospitable environments for the Holy Spirit
• Freedom from institutional control and commercialization
• Individual anointing rather than positional authority

Identity and Spiritual Warfare

Kai's testimony demonstrates:

• How childhood trauma creates vulnerability to demonic confusion
• The power of Christ-centered identity to overcome gender confusion
• The reality of spiritual resistance when approaching deeper commitment
• The healing power of biblical truth over psychological manipulation

Generational Challenges

Both participants recognize:

• The unique struggles of fatherless generation
• The need for authentic masculine discipleship
• The challenge of submission in individualistic culture
• The hunger for genuine spiritual authority and guidance

Theological Significance

This conversation represents a crucial intersection of:

• Intellectual Christianity meeting experiential faith
• Generational healing through spiritual encounter
• The emergence of authentic revival outside institutional structures
• The reality of spiritual warfare in identity formation
• The power of spontaneous divine appointments

Future Implications

The encounter suggests:

• Potential mentoring relationship between Gary and Kai
• Growing network of authentic believers in Texas
• Practical model for discipleship and spiritual formation
• Documentation potential for miracle ministry
• Community formation around prayer-centered Christianity

Conclusion

This transcript captures a remarkable example of how God orchestrates divine appointments to advance His Kingdom. The spontaneous encounter between Gary and Kai demonstrates the hunger among young believers for authentic Christianity and the transformative power of genuine spiritual dialogue. Kai's testimony of overcoming identity confusion through Christ-centered truth provides a powerful counter-narrative to contemporary gender ideology, while Gary's journey from atheism to miracle-focused ministry shows the intellectual pathway to supernatural faith.

The conversation reveals the emergence of a new generation of believers who refuse to settle for institutional "churchianity" and are willing to pay the cost for authentic discipleship. Their shared commitment to truth over comfort, substance over form, and God's will over personal preference suggests the foundation for genuine revival in the coming generation.