Conversation Summary: Gary Sheng and Victory Boyd (July 7, 2025)

Overview

This transcript captures a phone conversation initiated by Victory Boyd to redefine her relationship with Gary Sheng. Citing her recently started romantic relationship and her past romantic feelings for Gary, she concluded that continuing their close friendship would be inappropriate and potentially dishonest. She proposed moving to a relationship of professional distance, expressing her continued belief in his mission while establishing clear boundaries for any future collaboration. Gary expressed his understanding and respect for her decision.

Key Themes & Quotes

Victory's Decision to Redefine the Relationship

Victory explained that for the sake of clarity and integrity in her new relationship, she could not maintain a close friendship with Gary, given their history.

Victory: "I don't know that it would be... a good thing to like try to remain like remain friends and remain like in each other's lives... I did have feelings for you in a romantic sense, and, um.. I just don't think that.. because there was that initial foundation in that way, I don't I don't know that I can.. like, with a clear conscience guarantee that, um. I wouldn't also be fostering that with two different men, if that makes sense."

The Nature of Her Support for Gary

She emphasized that her support was rooted in a deep, personal belief in him, which she now felt was an inappropriate footing for a friendship given her new commitments.

Victory: "it wasn't even really a about the mission and the vision as much as this, like, I just really believed in you, Gary and... And I I think that that footing is not it's probably not appropriate if I'm, like, like if I'm in your corner like that, and then and then in this other relationship, in the same way, I think you know, it's not the most honest, one the most clear."

An Artist's Heart-Led Approach

Victory described her identity as an artist who operates from the heart, which can become a "liability" without clear and decisive boundaries.

Victory: "I do my best to function as a business person, but before any of that I'm an artist and everything's done from the heart... my heart can become a liability if I don't like really, if I'm not really clear, I concise decisions."

Framework for Future Interaction

She defined the new terms of their relationship: she would support him from a distance, and any potential collaboration must be strictly professional.

Victory: "I will be cheering you on from a distance... I think if there's any kind of like, like collaboration in the future and things like that, um, it would have to be like with a clear, clear, like professional, like guides and like clear professional footing versus like, you know, just kind of like feeling it out and seeing how things go and more like, as friends."

Gary's Response

Gary's response was brief and accepting, respecting her need for boundaries.

Gary: "I appreciate you sharing what you felt like you needed to share... If you don't feel like you can separate the two, then I understand." Gary: "Yeah, let's let's just, you know, give me an update every so often."

Outcome

The conversation concluded with a mutual understanding to dissolve the close friendship. They agreed to part on good terms, with Victory wishing him well from afar and Gary suggesting they stay in touch periodically.