2025-07-26 Gary Sheng & Marcus Noel - Kingdom Leadership Development & Spiritual Obedience

Date: July 26, 2025 Participants: Gary Sheng, Marcus Noel Location: Phone conversation Duration: Extended conversation Topics: Spiritual obedience, kingdom leadership training, masculine energy balance, power of conviction

Core Themes

Divine Obedience vs. Social Conformity

Marcus on the Test of True Faith:

"You have a normal job, and life feels sweet, and you're checking all the boxes, and all these things feel like, oh, this is how you do life in society, in America. We live in the American dream, and then God knocks on your door. And then most of the time, it's like, hey, you? Do you really believe in me? And you're like, well, of course. Of course, Father, I believe in you. What else would I believe in? But do you obey me? And then that's when the game changes."

The Isolation of Obedience:

"He says, yo, go left. He says, go left. But everybody's standing on the right side. Go left. But everybody's standing on the right side. My parents are on the right side. My friends are on the right side. Go left. And you gotta go left. Because the thing is, He called you to be different. He called you to be set apart. So you have to go through different things than your family, than your parents, than your friends."

Breaking Generational Expectations:

"Your parents were used as vessels to bring you life, but your parents can't control how long you live. So process that. Your parents brought you in the world and gave you life, but they cannot control how long you live... you have to, in a way, disobey your parents to obey The Mozart guy."

Kingdom Stewardship Training

What They're Being Prepared For:

"Kingdom stewardship, the responsibility over people's spirits, the responsibility of how some people will eat and survive, the responsibility of new things being created in a world that don't yet exist, and the responsibility of power."

Why Financial Constraints Exist:

"The only thing we can be challenged with right now, you know, is going to be money. Because that's going to be the only thing that can, like, literally stop the movement. Like, if we have all the money, if we have millions of dollars right now, we're literally on a whim to do whatever we want. So we wouldn't be listening to the Father, because we would just be doing whatever we wanted to do. And so that's why he's training us in this bit by bit."

Global Timing and Personal Development:

"The world still has to get progressively worse. Like we need this Brits NATO war to fully like take off. Then people are really going to pay attention to literally every word we said. Right now, a lot of things are still calm... when the world is fully turned, the people who are unfazed by the world being fully turned and expected it, the light is going to be so bright."

Power of Words and Conviction

Learning About Personal Influence:

"The level of influence that can save a life or kill a life in the power of words. And my wife is teaching me, my wife and my mother are teaching me how powerful my essence and word is. Like I say certain things like jokingly to them or which feels light to me and it really affects their spirit. And I'm like, dude, like I've seen both my mom and my wife cry over something I said."

Weapons Responsibility:

"The father is like allowing this to happen because I actually don't know my power. I don't know what it feels like to be on the opposite side of myself. But others are showing me what that power is. So now I'm realizing like, yo, I have a weapon. In my hand, the truth is a weapon. So I can't use the truth to hurt people."

Gary's Impact Recognition:

"You're a powerful dude, too. When you say stuff, that's why I was laughing in the conversation with, like, you and Jackson about it, because Jackson's response, I'm like, oh, Gary came with his conviction. And to a person who doesn't know you that well, I understand how that can feel."

Leadership Style Transformation

The Jackson Conversation Analysis: Gary and Marcus discussed a previous conversation Gary had with Jackson (someone in Marcus's network) that apparently didn't go smoothly due to Gary's convictional energy.

Marcus's Insight:

"It's not what's off the bottom would happen that none of that matters You are a very convicted person and not everybody's going to be able to be around your energy Because it does tell my power and conviction and more weaker people it's gonna startle them And I do the same thing to people which I had to learn to so that's why I'm sharing"

Gary's Perspective:

"Everyone's time is precious and different people need to hear things from different people at a certain time. And maybe he needed to hear that. Maybe he needed to feel that you are not the only one that has conviction in God, you know? Maybe he has treated you as like a fantasy world for a conspiracy theory. And hasn't really questioned whether other smart people think what you think."

Maternal Feedback and Communication Style

Marcus's Mother's Guidance:

"My mom encouraged me. My mom was just like, you need to write. She was like, you need to stop speaking so much. You need to write. Because maybe other people, because she was just like, you're triggering when you talk. And I'm like, I was just talking about God. And she was like, stop. Why do you always have to say, like, God? Why can't you just, like, be it and not say God?"

Marcus's Response to His Mother:

"Mom, I'm like, you're my mother. I was like, you took me to these churches, you put me in Christian schools, like, you are my parent. I just absorbed everything I was supposed to absorb, and this is the adult version of me. And oh, by the way, I took my own deep journey and commitment, and I'm ordained. Why am I not supposed to talk about God? Do you tell your pastor not to talk about God?"

Leadership Lesson Learned:

"That's when I realized, I'm like, oh, I drew the connection. The same thing my mother is saying about me, that's what Jackson experienced in you. And what it is, is conviction... That I'm going to write to her. And I'm going to send her my writings instead of speaking it. And when I speak, I'm going to just keep it very light, because that's her language."

Masculine vs. Feminine Energy Balance

The Projection Problem:

"And that is the biggest flaw in my relationships is projection. And so consider, are you projecting on other people? As a leader, are you projecting on other people? And what that looks like is you're taking your way and imposing your way on others, as opposed to meeting people where they're at"

Gary's Masculine Energy Analysis:

"You have a lot of masculine energy, so if you were to have a daughter or you were to have a wife, it's going to change how you show up. So the reason you need so much validation is because of the lack that you have right now. So you're using everyone around you to validate you, that's masculine. A feminine is the validator to a masculine."

True Leadership Model - The Shepherd:

"I learned this from going to Israel shepherding goats and sheep, the shepherd actually stands behind. And when I learned these lessons, that's when I really chilled out... The goats and sheep can feel the leader. So when you have the staff and you're trying to get all of these animals, you can't carry them one by one or push them. And they're not going to follow you if you just walk. So the shepherd actually stands behind, and it's a calm, peaceful energy that they gravitate to."

Critique of Tech Leadership:

"That's what tech, that's what this new school leadership, tech leadership is all about that. And that's why all the women in tech are like writing about these guys and airing them out because it's a terrible experience. They're not real leaders. They're just like autistic, like smart men with like the visionary leader But they're not leader of people."

Spiritual Development Through Relationships

Marriage as Training Ground:

"If you're unmarried right now, the biggest lessons are going to come when you get a wife. Because your wife is, one, she's going to be the feminine mirror to you, and she's going to be able to point out all the stuff that you need to shape."

Arielle's Role in Their Circle:

"So Arielle knows that about all the guys we're around. She's just like, that's why she gives so much feedback, because she's around a lot of masculine energy that's untamed and unbalanced from a woman. And she knows men enough."

Church Patriarchy Critique:

"That's why all this hyper masculine BS from the Catholic church and all of this patriarchal stuff is, is all sham because it's imbalanced. It's men making decisions over everybody, but men can't even see their whole selves because There's no female energy, or they're dominating women, or they're keeping men and women separated. That's not really how it's supposed to be."

Divine Balance:

"And God is both man and female. Christ is male and female energy."

Personal Growth Insights

Marcus's Self-Assessment:

"I'm already smart. I just got to be cool. But I'm already a cool person. So I was doing too much trying to be a trying to be a leader. Versus just leading through my cool collective nature, which is just naturally who I am and how I've always been."

Morehouse Culture Critique:

"But after going to Morehouse and being in hyper male cultures and fraternity and all that, it brings out that alpha side. But that alpha shit, It's actually not good leadership. That's the same thing as the church, patriarchal, egoic leadership. So that's what has to die. And that's why Morehouse guys, that's our biggest flaw, is that shit."

Called to Break Patterns:

"So I'm called to be one of the ones to basically break that down."

Relationship Stewardship Wisdom

Meeting People Where They Are:

"If a person says, I like your written, no, I liked it in songs, then it's the leader's job to put it in a song for them to say the same exact things that you would want to just straight verbalize... You got to serve the flock. So that's what a real shepherd does."

Different Calling Levels:

"They are doing their best. They're not called to lead people. So some people will be called to lead people. Some people will be in the congregation or members of the flock. The shepherds have a different responsibility."

Avoiding Judgment:

"So the judgment has to remove, it's not up to us to say who's the real believer and who's the fake believer. Everyone's just on their walk. Because if I'm more developed than you, then I could say, yo, Gary's a fake believer because of these five things that I observed. Then I would be a hypocrite."

Key Insights and Implications

Leadership Development Framework

This conversation reveals Marcus and Gary's recognition that they are being prepared for significant spiritual and cultural leadership responsibilities. The emphasis on personal refinement, particularly around communication style and energy management, indicates their awareness of the weight of influence they're being prepared to carry.

Generational Authority Transition

Both participants grappled with the challenge of divine calling requiring independence from family expectations and social norms. Marcus's insight about needing to "disobey parents to obey God" reflects a mature understanding of spiritual authority superseding human authority.

Communication Strategy Evolution

The discussion of Marcus's mother advising him to write rather than speak, and the Jackson conversation analysis, demonstrates their growing sophistication in understanding how to communicate truth effectively to different audiences without overwhelming or alienating them.

Masculine Leadership Refinement

Marcus's critique of "alpha" culture and tech leadership, combined with his shepherd metaphor from Israel, indicates a significant shift toward servant leadership models that integrate both masculine and feminine energies for more effective and sustainable influence.

Kingdom Economics Understanding

Their recognition that financial constraints serve a training purpose reveals a mature perspective on wealth and power, understanding that premature access to unlimited resources could undermine their spiritual development and obedience to divine guidance.

This conversation represents a significant maturation point in both participants' understanding of their roles as emerging kingdom leaders, with particular emphasis on the responsibility that comes with spiritual influence and the need for personal refinement to handle that responsibility effectively.