Extended Strategic Dialogue: Gary Sheng & Brenda Gentry - Documentary Strategy and Divine Timing

Date: September 22, 2025 Participants: Gary Sheng (@gary-sheng.md), Brenda Gentry (@brenda-gentry.md) Duration: Extended conversation Context: Strategic discussion following Gary's encounter with Kai Salazar and continued documentary planning around Apostle Delmar's ministry

Executive Summary

This conversation represents a significant advancement in Gary and Brenda's documentary collaboration, with both participants demonstrating deepened theological understanding and strategic clarity about their mission to document the "fullness of the faith." The dialogue covers Gary's encounter with Kai as validation of their approach, critiques of conventional "Sunday Christianity," strategic positioning of their documentary against existing miracle documentaries, and concrete planning for expanding Apostle Delmar's ministry reach. The conversation reveals sophisticated understanding of spiritual warfare, cultural dynamics, and the urgent need to present authentic Christianity versus institutional religion.

Key Themes and Strategic Developments

1. Validation Through Divine Appointments

Gary's Encounter with Kai as Confirmation:

Gary: "I think it was also validation for me because other people are wondering like about this whole supernatural stuff that it's just part of the faith. It's not like a different thing it's not like a Gnostic or... Whatever new age. It's just what is the fullness of the faith."

Recognition of Orchestrated Encounters:

Gary: "And bump into this kid we chat for like two and a half hours and... it was practice it was practice and like who knows he might work on one of our documentaries he might start... a different kind of turning point."

2. Critique of Conventional Christianity

"Sunday Christianity" Inadequacy:

Brenda: "You don't just go sit in church for two hours every Sunday and expect for God to do miracles... so that's like we almost want to call it Sunday-anity or something."

Lack of Participatory Faith:

Gary: "You're basically taking a seat like you're in a movie theater like... There's almost nothing participatory about it and it's like great, you know, you praise that's great... but like... why are we not encouraged to have the most powerful direct connection to God as possible."

Prayer Life Deficit:

Gary: "There's not a single person that's like articulate and good at social media. That's like saying this right that... Christians are close but they're missing like half of the point, right? I would even say it's like I'm gonna call them half hearted even if it's not their intention because... it's so out of any sort of lifestyle that anyone that they even know they're including their pastor to pray in tongues for three hours every day."

3. Strategic Evangelism for Tech Leaders

Targeting Influential Skeptics:

Gary: "Every person like women need a look at the perfect woman, you know minister like etc, etc right, but like it just happens to be the fact that like a lot of like kind of autistic-y into hyper like mind intellectual people are controlling the world right and they have like more and more and more and more money and power and it's very important that they... come to Christ."

Supernatural Evidence as Apologetic:

Gary: "It's not just gonna be a logical argument that brings them to it... there's a lot of valid faiths that are universal Buddhism Taoism like no, there's one way there's one way... the supernatural totally narrows the conversation to like kind of just Christ, right?"

Apostle Delmar's Unique Positioning:

Gary: "Apostle Delmar is doing things entirely in the power and authority of Christ right in the Holy Spirit... He's not saying another name. He's not saying in the power of Vishnu, right? He's saying Christ. Okay that narrows it down a lot."

4. Urgent Spiritual Reality and Accountability

Judgment Day Reality:

Brenda: "People just don't even understand that Judgment Day so real like this one lady had a near-death and she was on Judgment Day... if you didn't have God here and you didn't accept Jesus the Holy Spirit can I mean Jesus is our advocate... he can't even advocate for you."

High-Stakes Accountability for Leaders:

Gary: "You better be building using those that genius and the wealth that you're accumulating for the kingdom... For sure if you will have to depend on a unusual level of mercy if you did not declare Jesus your Lord and Savior in your position of extreme influence."

5. Ministry Expansion and Divine Acceleration

California Ministry Opportunities:

Brenda: "My sister-in-law usually is the first one to call... She say to me 'I have been feeling led to become a minister'... there's her ex one of her ex who's become also a very good friend... He has a ministry in LA for the homeless and he has a ministry for... addicts... he would really need a postal at his church."

Apostle's Readiness for Expansion:

Brenda: "He's basically saying he's ready to go. In other words He's ready to do whatever God's saying. Let's move... When God gives you a vision, you don't you stop planning. Give me date... I Need dates of what we're doing. I don't wait to see the money because my father in heaven provides when we have the dates in place."

Prayer Room Vision Convergence:

Brenda: "You have no that's what God put on my heart like God is opening portals... a portal just means that the Holy Spirit's coming down where there's an atmosphere of prayer and praise and worship... We're gonna have so many requests for those for people to wanna have those portals open in their home."

6. Documentary Strategy and Competitive Analysis

"Send Proof" Documentary Analysis:

Gary: "I feel like he made it so that we could make a better one... This week is a lot of studying what we actually want to do and what not to do... the clips from this documentary are good, right, because they're like, oh, wow, this guy's like very uncharismatic. But he... found a couple interesting cases of clear miracles."

Audience Strategy Refinement:

Gary: "Our audience should not primarily be skeptics, right, it should be we assume that it's... worthy to ask who is our main audience, I would say. We probably want to trigger Christendom."

Documentary Focus Clarification:

Gary: "A documentary about the fullness of the faith that was embodied by the John G. Lakes, Smith Wigglesworth, the William Seymour's. And and now apostle, right? And we're just kind of rediscovering what this really is all about."

7. False Prophets and Spiritual Discernment

African False Prophet Exposure:

Brenda: "There really is this false prophet in Africa really taking these people for a ride, like literally messing them up... And exactly that's what the comments of that are saying. It really turns people off like, oh, man, now who even wants to believe in God?"

Bill Johnson and Bethel Critique:

Brenda: "I really liked Bill Johnson. My husband kind of like, was like, I don't like... Bill Johnson. But Bill Johnson was one of the ones who was... his church was like, God walk, and they were allowing yoga, and people know yoga is not of God, yoga is new age."

Mike Winger's Discernment Ministry:

Brenda: "There's a guy called Mike Winger, he has a very big YouTube show, and he debunks all the prophets that come up and say, oh, I'm a prophet, or I'm a man of God. And he goes deep into them."

8. Lifestyle Christianity and Prayer Culture

Prayer Room Business Vision:

Gary: "Every house should have a beautiful prayer room every house... we should all we should own businesses that help people decorate those and sell pillows and whatever... Including devices right where it's just like it there's it's super maybe super minimalistic... it's specialized for like ambiance for prayer."

Three-Hour Prayer Standard:

Gary: "What does the world look like like to what extent does it make sense? Maybe for everyone to pray an hour a day or three hours a day... Because what we're doing right now is we're spending three hours watching TV."

Faith as Sacrifice:

Gary: "Our faith is a faith of sacrifice, right? We sacrifice many hours of the day to worship and be in communion with our God. Because we're grateful and it's the least, if that's what he wants, we have, we should just do what... we should enjoy that that's what he wants."

9. Strategic Timeline and Implementation

Immediate Action Steps:

Gary: "I think what feels right is whether it's next, next week, or I think it is next week. I go back to Liberty and just do some interviews with Apostle, get his... I have a million questions."

Interview Strategy:

Gary: "I want you to help me... there's an understanding that he has about what this is all about that is not just limited to what is in the transcripts of his services... putting on the hat of a skeptic or a lukewarm Christian... And just asking all the questions."

Calendar Filling Approach:

Brenda: "He just wants his calendar to be filled up in other words like fill up the calendar and let God move do we wait and say oh, you know, we can't... fill up the calendar and let God move."

10. Cultural Positioning and Brand Strategy

Christianity as Cultural Trend:

Gary: "People are just going to like blindly adopt it to get ahead because it's culturally... But what's the point? The point is not so you can feel accepted by other quote unquote Christians that wear crosses. It's... something else."

Brand Ambassador Calling:

Gary: "I think we're getting closer and closer to... being good, almost like brand ambassadors of what God would want... to say to people about what this is all about."

Triggering Christendom Strategy:

Gary: "We want people to be upset about it because we need we need them to be triggered and not be able to help themselves. But watch it. I want them to be like, what the fuck does this guy know? He just started his Christian journey. It's like, yeah, I did. But I'm... also not stuck in your ways where I feel like I have to protect my position in in a church institution."

Theological and Spiritual Insights

Prayer as Supernatural Connection

The conversation reveals sophisticated understanding of prayer not as religious duty but as direct spiritual technology for accessing God's power and guidance.

Spiritual Warfare Reality

Both participants demonstrate advanced discernment regarding false prophets, demonic deception, and the urgent need for authentic spiritual authority.

Revival Timing Recognition

Strong sense that current period represents divine timing for major spiritual awakening, requiring immediate action rather than traditional institutional timelines.

Fullness vs. Form

Clear distinction between authentic Christianity that includes supernatural power and institutional religion that has settled for mere form.

Strategic Implications

Documentary Positioning

• Target "Christendom" rather than skeptics as primary audience
• Trigger debate about authentic vs. institutional Christianity
• Feature historical revival leaders alongside contemporary manifestations
• Document lifestyle transformation, not just miraculous events

Ministry Expansion Strategy

• Rapid calendar filling with strategic ministry placements
• Focus on addiction recovery and homeless outreach
• Establish prayer room culture as lifestyle brand
• Create scalable discipleship infrastructure

Cultural Influence Approach

• Position as brand ambassadors for authentic Christianity
• Challenge conventional church practices through demonstration
• Use technology and social media for maximum reach
• Build movement around prayer-centered lifestyle

Future Developments

The conversation establishes clear trajectory toward:

• Immediate Liberty, TX interviews with Apostle Delmar
• California ministry expansion opportunities
• Documentary production with cultural triggering strategy
• Prayer room lifestyle brand development
• International ministry documentation

Conclusion

This dialogue represents a strategic breakthrough in articulating the vision for documenting and promoting the "fullness of the faith." Gary and Brenda demonstrate remarkable alignment on theological understanding, cultural strategy, and practical implementation. Their recognition that conventional Christianity has settled for powerless religion while authentic faith includes supernatural demonstration provides the foundation for their documentary mission. The conversation reveals both participants' maturation as spiritual leaders and strategic thinkers, positioning them to influence a generation seeking authentic spiritual power beyond institutional religion.