Extended Spiritual Evolution and Denominational Critique Conversation

Date: August 15, 2025 Participants: Gary Sheng, Marcus Noel Duration: Extended conversation Topics: Spiritual formation, denominational exploration, Israel/Palestine critique, ministry development, Truth in the Wild initiatives, atheism analysis

Executive Summary

Extended spiritual and theological conversation where Gary shared his four-year faith journey across multiple denominations (Catholic, Protestant, Mormon, Orthodox) while Marcus provided advanced spiritual warfare teaching and ministry vision development. Both participants demonstrated sophisticated theological understanding while critiquing mainstream Christianity's political compromises, particularly regarding Israel/Palestine. Gary revealed his transition away from secular partnerships toward exclusively Christ-centered collaborations, while Marcus outlined comprehensive Truth in the Wild ministry framework and analyzed spiritual attacks on their community including bank account freezing. Conversation represented deepening spiritual brotherhood and strategic ministry planning around truth-telling, cultural influence, and denominational transcendence.

Key Themes & Spiritual Development

Gary's Four-Year Denominational Exploration

Relationship Standards Evolution:

Gary: "I basically stopped re-engaging with friends that I felt like didn't have the heart to be connected with the Lord at any point in the future, right?"

Mormon Community Insights:

Gary: "They're incredibly good at community building. Incredibly good. They're good at being missionaries. I mean, I doubt that the Book of Mormon is like, you know, whatever, but... I love it!"

Cross-Denominational Learning:

Gary: "And in the last year alone, I've spent a ton of time with Catholics, all kinds of Protestants and non-denominational Mormons, and Orthodox. And it's taught me a lot, right? And then you guys don't have a name for whatever, you know, it's just truth, right?"

Marcus's Advanced Spiritual Warfare Teaching

Set-Apart Phase Recognition:

Marcus: "You're going through the set-apart phase."

Power Source Analysis:

Marcus: "Power is beyond the realm of man's own ability and faculty. Power is when there is something supernatural on top of man, working with man. That's power. Skill and talent and giftings, that's held in humanity. Power is not held inside of humans. Humans have to tap into the power."

Luciferian Elite Psychology:

Marcus: "The reason why they choose, Gary, is because they want to be chosen. Think about that. Why do you think all of these elites and stuff like that have all of these issues? They were rejected from humanity. They carry on the same archetype of Lucifer."

Atheism and Secular Partnership Critique

Gary's Professional Standards Evolution

Incompatibility with Secular Logic:

Gary: "It's incompatible, actually. I think that, yeah, okay, here's practical compatibility. You know, oh, an Atheist paper plate company. You need a party, you order from an Atheist paper plate company. But you don't build deep, critical relationships with Atheists, right?"

Divine Logic Requirement:

Gary: "When I'm talking about deep partnerships, the logic has to be a divine logic."

Atheism Creates Evil Theory:

Gary: "I think atheism creates evil. That's what I thought. That's basically my conclusion... Ambitious atheist people will, because nothing matters, everything's made up, right? You can be like Sam Bateman Freed."

Marcus's Elite Spiritual Warfare Analysis

Elon Musk Power Source:

Marcus: "Well, because he's serving a God. It's just not our God. Yeah, it's a lesser God. That's where they get the power from. They just become that."

Historical Power Patterns:

Marcus: "So like, anciently, if Alexander the Great from Greece wanted to take over a land, he would do it in the name of the gods. That's it. Yeah, that's how it works. That's power."

Advanced Theological Framework Development

Spiritual Initiation and Baptism

Marcus's Baptism Timing Wisdom:

Marcus: "I waited till two or three years ago, Gary, three years ago to get baptized all this time. And I've been a believer. Why? Because it was when I was spiritually ready, not back when I was 12 or 13 as a kid."

True Baptism Requirements:

Marcus: "When did you choose Christ? That's when a man is baptized, when you are really fully ready to choose Christ as your Lord and Savior. Above all other things, above yourself, above what your parents want for you, above what society is telling you, that's when you're ready for baptism."

Metanoia as Core Principle:

Marcus: "The whole point of this is metanoia. That's the whole point of baptism is metanoia. Beyond that, don't even touch the water, just be to be of the world."

Graven Images and Spiritual Discernment

Cross Symbolism Critique:

Marcus: "Technically, bro, we're not even supposed to be wearing the cross because it's a graven image. You just be the cross. You be death and you be resurrection."

Pastoral Spiritual Maturity Assessment:

Marcus: "That's why I have a hard time listening to a lot of these pastors because I'm like, oh, y'all are still like babies. Yeah, you've been preaching for 20 years, but you're a baby in your spiritual understanding and you haven't been trusted with the mysteries."

Prism Metaphor for Spiritual Purity:

Marcus: "So imagine yourself as a prism, like literally a clear light prism. And imagine light is God beaming onto your prism. And imagine if your prism is clean, it's going to reflect all these beautiful colors back... You got to clean that prism, my brother."

Israel/Palestine Spiritual Warfare Analysis

Evangelical Manipulation Critique

Statistical Reality Check:

Gary: "Do you know how many evangelicals are in America? Ninety million, bro... How many people are doing that right now with Netanyahu? Like actually putting their careers on the line, lives on the line to like stop this genocide? Not many, honestly. Not many people. Basically zero tech people."

Denominational Truth Assessment:

Gary: "Probably not. If your denomination or faith tradition is all about political power, probably not the right path."

Courage Deficit Analysis:

Gary: "Because we have such a courage deficit that everyone knows what's happening, but no one can say anything? Do you have like genuinely racist kid, Nick Fuentes being like a hero, being seen as a hero because no one else is saying anything?"

Marcus's Hebrew Israelite Framework

True Identity Teaching:

Marcus: "You are an Israelite. You must be an Israelite, a child of the Most High. Doesn't matter if you're Chinese, African, South American, all of those are the constructs. It's about being an Israelite."

Christ as Universal Access:

Marcus: "Gary, that's the key to why Christ is the key. Because anybody can have it. That's the key. They don't want people to know that. If everybody knows that there is actually no division in Christ, then every religion will break."

Khazar Theory Application:

Gary: "I'm an anti-Cazarite. These are not the seed of Shem." Marcus: "They are not the Afro-Asiatic Shemites, correct, my brother?"

Ministry Development and Truth in the Wild Vision

Strategic Positioning Recognition

Current Ministry Reality:

Marcus: "So I'm saying like what's happening now, but it's like, bro, no, we are truth in a while. It's just the father just seated me at a, but we are truth in the wild. We are God wave. Like that's it."

Influence Strategy Over Volume:

Marcus: "And it's an influence game. It's not about volume. It's influence small circles of powerful people. That's how we move Davos for the most high, bro."

Doctrinal Clarity Requirement:

Marcus: "Now the most high God goes by many names. So if you practice the most high God and you call him Allah and you call him this, or you call him that you call him Yahweh. You call him Elohim. You call him Jehovah Jireh. There's so many names. We're not going to discriminate against name, but I'm not accepting anybody of any faith."

Content Strategy and Documentation

Brother Ron Collaboration Framework:

Marcus: "Brother Ron, who runs Truth Unedited, has organized the whole catalog of topics. We take the videos and put them in AI. And those are the new scripts. We use his script and we create off of that script new visuals or a new story in a new medium."

Gary's Wiki Development Vision:

Gary: "So we gotta be very explicit because it's not, it doesn't fit any one existing category... we want to like articulate like a way. There's like a way that we are communicating. A way of thinking about analyzing current events, all this."

Spiritual Attacks and Financial Warfare

Bank Account Targeting

Systematic Opposition Recognition:

Marcus: "Then we get here. And then three can go to the hospital. My dad is dead. And then now he's back to life and he's out on the Eastern Shore right now having fun healing himself. So it's like all these crazy things. And then guess what? They the bank froze our bank account."

Switzerland Financial Control Analysis:

Marcus: "What the hell is in Switzerland? Whatever is in Switzerland. That's why everybody's really going to Davos. The conference is the above ground thing, but there's some underground thing that happens every year on a super elite level that we don't know about."

Frequency-Based Targeting:

Marcus: "So then in that, that's what we got to figure out because whatever it is, they flagged us. So we're tapped, but I mean, everybody's going to be tapped. So I'm not saying that as a more special or that we're stopped. It's going to happen to you too in various areas."

Michael Noel's Recovery and Family Legacy

Father's Government Consulting Transition:

Marcus: "And now he's turning over, you know, a million dollar consult, government consulting practice to us. Like, that's why he's like, yo, don't do any more deals. I have the bag."

Independence vs. Support Recognition:

Marcus: "Yeah, because I was raised to be independent and he's very independent. So maybe he never told me that. But it was maybe my own like assumptions and expectations that I had, you know, for my parents."

Trans-Denominational Vision and Christofuturism

Educational Integration Challenge

Secular Education Critique:

Gary: "So like a secular education is actually just completely miseducating kids. If we actually believe in spiritual warfare, we actually believe that God shapes events. We actually believe in prophecy and telepathy and healing and everything, right?"

New Denomination Development:

Gary: "And so maybe step one, which could be a 10 year step... maybe it's build out this worldview, build out this, essentially, this almost like a denomination that's like a trans denomination above denominations, but it's a denomination."

Ministry Niche Identification

Target Audience Clarity:

Gary: "It's people that have seen a lot, heard a lot, suspect a lot, and are just like, done with the existing institutions. That's probably the niche. Probably a big niche, honestly."

Church-Hurt and Conspiracy Demographics:

Marcus: "People who are church-hurt, people who got lost in New Age... Conspiracy theorists." Gary: "The conspiracies are all real... Like the 90% of people that are church trauma."

Strategic Next Steps and Organizational Development

Peter Han Housing and Relationship Building

Austin Infrastructure:

Gary: "I'm about to stay at Peter's house... Peter's apartment." Marcus: "Fire, bro. Because you know what that's going to do? That's going to make you and Peter talk all the time."

Anti-Semitic Journey Support:

Gary: "He's been supporting me in my anti-semitic journey."

Risk Management and Public Positioning

Legal Considerations:

Gary: "And that's the problem because then he might just feel like he needs to sue me just to win for his army. I don't know." Marcus: "Exactly, bro. Now you understand my life."

Resource Recognition:

Gary: "I'm a well, I'm a well-resourced anti-Semite... I'm an anti-Cazarite."

Ministry Infrastructure Development

WhatsApp Community Success:

Marcus: "40 people. And it's mad engaging. Your, your thread, your thread on WhatsApp is more engaging than the thread you're in on our line."

Truth in the Wild Branding:

Marcus: "You're already writing for truth in the wild, but now they can be, you can just ghost write like Banksy style. And it's like, they will, they're going to go viral, bro."

Character Assessment and Spiritual Discernment

Individual Ministry Specializations

Gary's Technical Ministry:

Marcus: "Like you have, you're like minister of the techies and I, and I have culture people and Nick has, Nick has wild, wild occultic weirdos, the virgins and divergence."

Nick's Demographic:

Gary: "The degenerates, the virgins and the divergence."

Organizational Purification Process

Financial Karmic Balance:

Marcus: "I even want to do that, Gary. And I think the Father wants me to do that. And then the ministry just launches the ministry just like, like flows so seamlessly after that."

Investor Relations Strategy:

Marcus: "So what if I just create the most creative system on the amount of money that I have and give them an amazing experience and then give them their bag back?"

Prophetic and Cultural Analysis

End Times Preparation

Cultural Big Bang Theory:

Marcus: "So we're going to go through a cultural big bang where everything is going to be brooming combustion. And some embers are going to spark into wildfires. And the wildfires are going to take over the land."

Baptism by Fire Vision:

Marcus: "The flood was the first form. That's why he sent water. The second one will be fire."

Leadership Emergence Prophecy

Kingdom Builder Recognition:

Marcus: "When you understand that Christ was a builder, a kingdom builder with his hands and a carpenter doing work that he was uniquely above, overqualified to be a carpenter, yet the Father still made him a carpenter."

Future Leader Characteristics:

Marcus: "So there will be someone that is right that that the Father raises up that will be his version of Elon and that person will go head to head sit in the same rooms and discuss on powerful things in front of him and the likes of other world leaders and they will listen to him."

Spiritual Brotherhood and Calling Recognition

Humble Yielding Principle

Identity in Christ Framework:

Gary: "Is that you or is that you?" Marcus: "I am not he. It is he who is in me. I am not he. It is he who is in me. And I humbly yield."

Cult Leader Preparation:

Marcus: "Gary, they're going to call you, Gary, a cult leader. And you're going to be and you are going to have to be comfortable with being called and viewed and treated like a cult leader and not being a cult."

Truth Frequency and Validation

Spiritual Authority Recognition:

Marcus: "And God will send someone to clear it for you that will validate who you are. You will be validated by the Father in a public way."

Frequency-Based Fellowship:

Marcus: "So part of your journey is being comfortable with being misunderstood and people are going to be triggered and threatened by you to a point where people are going to say negative things about you and you're going to have to still operate like the old Gary who was loved by everybody."

Content Development and Media Strategy

Midnight Mass Recommendation

Netflix Series Assignment:

Marcus: "Watch on Netflix midnight mass. Please, bro. If you understand this show dog, you're going to, you're going to be so lit bro."

Educational Entertainment Value:

Marcus: "It is binge worthy. It's a, it's an episodic series, but you're going to binge it."

Biographical Work Integration

Family Legacy Projects:

Gary: "I've been restarting biographical work with my mom."

Resource Accumulation Strategy:

Gary: "So basically for the foreseeable future, I'm going to be reading books about God and watching shows and shit that people like you recommend."

Conversation Impact and Strategic Outcomes

This extended conversation represented a significant deepening of Gary and Marcus's spiritual brotherhood and ministry collaboration. Gary demonstrated continued evolution away from secular partnerships toward exclusively Christ-centered work, while Marcus provided sophisticated theological framework and practical ministry development guidance. Both participants exhibited mature spiritual discernment regarding current events, denominational limitations, and strategic positioning for Truth in the Wild ministry expansion.

The discussion established clear theological foundations for their trans-denominational approach while addressing practical challenges including financial warfare, legal considerations, and public positioning strategies. Gary's four-year denominational exploration provided crucial insights for developing comprehensive educational alternatives, while Marcus's advanced spiritual warfare teaching offered frameworks for navigating opposition and maintaining spiritual authority.

The conversation concluded with clear next steps for content development, community building, and strategic infrastructure development, positioning both participants for continued collaboration in kingdom advancement through truth-telling and cultural influence initiatives.