Gary Sheng & Enrico Moses: Spiritual Growth and Racial Consciousness

July 15, 2025

Overview

A deeply personal and transformative conversation between Gary Sheng and Enrico Moses covering spiritual development, racial dynamics in America, team feedback, and mutual growth. The discussion reveals Enrico's journey toward becoming a rabbi, his insights on American history and Black contributions, and his role as both spiritual mentor and advocate for Gary within their team.

Key Themes

1. Enrico's Spiritual Journey and Calling to Rabbinate

Enrico shared his deepening engagement with Kabbalah and a potential calling to become a rabbi:

"There's a calling that's been coming to potentially tap into becoming a rabbi... My rabbi mentor... told me, you know, when people tell me that they're interested in being rabbis, I usually tell them that they shouldn't. He was like, I'm not getting that with you."

Key Elements:

• Studying with Kabbalah teacher David Guillaume
• Mother also considering becoming a rabbi simultaneously
• Multiple pathways available for rabbinical training
• Mentor sees pure intentions in Enrico's calling
• Represents evolution of his spiritual circle work

2. Gary's Self-Reflection on His Role and Character

Gary opened with reflections on his nature as both skeptic and optimist:

"I'm such a good skeptic... But I'm also good at being like unusually hopeful as well... these like complementary forces that are needed for evolution, right?"

Core Insight - "Age of BS":

"We're exiting the age of B.S... People are just so tired of it... the worst kind of B.S. or is someone that pretends to be mad about B.S. But they're a B.S."

Gary identified his ability to spot character flaws in leaders like Lael Alexander and Trump, leading to self-examination about his own calling to model integrity.

3. Kabbalah Teachings on Light and Darkness

Enrico introduced profound concepts about spiritual transmutation:

"The light is inside of us, right? The light is God. We are part of God... The only thing that is preventing that light from manifesting in the real world is pieces of darkness and your ability to transmute that darkness into lightness."

Practical Application:

"When Lael triggers you, that's an opportunity for you to transmute that into the light... If I don't pause, take a pause and say, okay, I can feel myself being triggered, but this is actually the opportunity... to remove this block for my light to shine through."

4. Team Dynamics and Advocacy

Enrico revealed his behind-the-scenes role as Gary's advocate:

"Behind the scenes, I'm always advocating for you. When people come to me and they explain their triggers, I'm advocating for you because I see the light in you."

Feedback on Gary's Patterns:

"You trigger a lot of people just like Lael triggers you... what I want you to know is behind the scenes, I'm always advocating for you... because I see the light in you."

Specific concerns from team members centered around Gary trying to impress people rather than speaking truth, creating cleanup work for others.

5. Shared Midwest Experience and Racial Dynamics

Both Gary and Enrico bonded over their challenging Midwest upbringings:

"I understand you, Gary. I grew up in the Midwest... I understand what that was like... I know what it's like to grow up around these Midwest white people and the feeling that they create when it comes to attempting to make people feel like they're outsiders."

Enrico's Experience:

"Bro, I was pulled over 14 times in my life before I moved to L.A. Out of those 14 times, I was given one ticket, and that ticket was bullshit. But it was always because of my presentation as hip-hop, which is basically black."

6. Black Americans as America's Moral Compass

Enrico presented a compelling thesis about Black Americans' role in American virtue:

"Black people are the moral compass of this country. There is no moral compass... who is the white version of Muhammad Ali who gave up his title because he didn't want to go fight in the Vietnam War?... Who's the white version of Martin Luther King? Who's the white version of Rosa Parks?"

America's True Foundation:

"You can't really treat America like it's Rome or Babylon because it's more like Egypt with the slaves... because you still have the pure-hearted, moral compass people here that built America."

7. White Supremacy as Ideology, Not Individual Identity

Enrico clarified an important distinction about systemic vs. individual racism:

"It's white supremacists, which includes Jews. It includes Christians... It's not Judaism, it's white supremacy... Some of those Jews align with white supremacy. Some of the Christians align with white supremacy."

Historical Context:

"As a slave, do you think I care if my slave owner is Jewish or is Christian? It's not about the Jews, it's about the white supremacists."

8. Black Contributions to American Culture and Innovation

Enrico detailed extensive Black contributions often uncredited:

"Black people created all the music. All of the music that we love came directly from the black community... Most of even the food that we like came from the black community. The sports and athletics that we love, it got created by the black people."

Historical Examples:

"The light bulb would not have been invented without Louis Latimer. George Washington Carver was Henry Ford's right-hand man... George Washington Carver saved America because he invented an ability to create rubber that was like 100 times less expensive."

9. Immigration and Current Political Dynamics

Enrico connected current immigration tensions to Black American withdrawal of support:

"That's why this whole illegal immigration thing is happening... Because black people are not standing up to defend the Latinos right now... Because black people have figured out that we have stood up and we have fought for everybody's rights while they don't give a fuck about us."

Kamala Harris Election Analysis:

"That's why Kamala didn't get elected. Because black people were like, fuck this bitch. She's not black. She doesn't represent our community."

10. Authentic Black Culture vs. Stereotypes

Enrico distinguished between authentic Black culture and media stereotypes:

"True black culture is the church... True black culture is black women respecting your mom. That's true black culture... This whole notion that thievery and crime and gang, that's not real black culture. That's a figment of imagination that has been created by the white supremacists through media."

Examples of Real Black Culture:

"Real black culture lives in the black church. It lives with the black women. It lives with strong black men like Michael Jordan's dad raising Michael Jordan. That's black culture."

Personal Growth and Relationship Insights

Gary's Pattern of Seeking White Approval

Enrico offered loving but direct feedback:

"My observation of you is that you want to impress white people. You grew up around these white people... Their whole MO is basically trying to make everybody impress them."

Path Forward:

"The more you educate yourself about the true nature of the people that you grew up around, they were just hurt. And that they are insecure... you can remove the darkness and the anger and the sadness and the frustration."

Enrico's Role as Spiritual Guide and Friend

"I see you as a Trojan horse, Gary... I don't see you as the person that has to fight for black people or black women. That's not who you are. You didn't grow up like that, bro. You went to Duke... You have to see this position you're in and play the role that you're here to play."

Advocacy and Patience:

"We're not here to manifest the shit you went through, bro... we're here for you... I'm here for you... I don't represent those white boys you grew up with. I believe in you. And I have patience with you."

Spiritual Practices and Recommendations

Light Work Methodology

"When we're triggered, we're usually triggered from a place of ego... what would Gary's highest self do in these moments? And what your highest self would do is always about removing ego."

Recommended Resources

• Book: "Essential Writings and Speeches of Martin Luther King, Jr., Testament of Hope"
• Movie: "Sinners" - for understanding light work and God Wave mission
• Teacher: David Guillaume for Kabbalah studies

Key Takeaways for Gary's Development

1. Embrace Truth-Telling: "Being the light is never something for you, as a man, to fear"
2. Challenge White Culture: "You're going to be so powerful when you start challenging these white people"
3. Focus on God: "Impress God" rather than people or dominant culture
4. Understand Historical Context: Learn true American history of Black contributions
5. Accept Feedback with Love: Receive team concerns as growth opportunities
6. Maintain Authenticity: Stop catering to white supremacist expectations

Conclusion

This conversation represents a pivotal moment in Gary and Enrico's friendship, with Enrico serving multiple roles as spiritual teacher, racial consciousness guide, team advocate, and loving friend. The discussion illuminates both personal growth opportunities and broader societal dynamics, grounded in Enrico's unique perspective as someone of Black and Jewish heritage with deep spiritual practice and historical understanding.

The conversation's spiritual framework—using triggers as opportunities for light transmission—offers practical tools for personal development while the historical and cultural analysis provides context for understanding American racial dynamics and Gary's position within them.

Most significantly, it demonstrates the power of honest, loving feedback between friends committed to each other's highest development, with Enrico consistently holding Gary in light while offering clear-eyed assessment of growth areas.