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Transcript Summary: Gary Sheng & Camara Cassin Conversation (2025-07-09)
1. Opening & Crypto Scam Revelation
The conversation opened with Camara immediately revealing a traumatic experience from the previous day.
Camara: "Oh, I'm not doing good. I had a horrible experience yesterday. I got scammed and hacked and robbed... digitally... somebody contacted me claiming to be interested in Mrestoning Eden and my project and myself and that they wanted to see if I was interested in being an advisor for their AI company."
The Scam Details
Camara described a sophisticated multi-stage scam:
- Initial Contact: Scammers posed as interested parties in her Masterminding Eden project
- Professional Setup: Conducted legitimate-seeming video calls about an AI company advisor role
- The Hook: Invited her to meet the "rest of the team" on a conferencing platform
- The Attack: Malware disguised as conferencing software infected her computer
- The Loss: $20,000 stolen from her crypto wallet (all her money)
Camara: "They were so professional, like, even the websites that they had me go to looked like the real deal... Somebody said that they looked at the wallet, that they were sending the money to, and that they'd stolen more than a million dollars from people in the last month."
Emotional Impact
Camara described her emotional state in detail:
Camara: "I'm feeling really weird. Like, my emotions are kind of in a trauma state, I think. I'm feeling kind of shocked and I was crying a lot, and then there's moments where I don't feel anything... I just feel daunted and I don't... I just want to lay here and hearing from you makes me feel happy in a sea of otherwise shit."
2. Gary's Location & Relationship Update
Gary shared significant life changes since their last conversation (~9 months prior):
- Moved to Austin from Colorado in January
- Relationship Status: No longer with McKenna but they remain friends
- Professional Situation: Helping an "ed tech billionaire guy" with mixed feelings about the work
Gary: "I just needed to be somewhere else. It's been good. Austin's been good... I have mixed feelings about him, but it's a good stepping stone, I think, for something next."
3. Masterminding Eden Project Progress
Despite the financial setback, Camara shared positive developments in her main project:
New Venue Discovery
Camara: "I found another venue that's really good and more affordable and in the United States... It was a boarding school that's been turned into a training and conference center... In the Pacific Northwest."
Team Building Success
Camara has successfully built a core team including:
- AI Engineer from Malaysia: Described as "pretty cool"
- Steven: Building a town called "Jevity" in Texas, expecting $500 million in funding
Camara: "He's about to get $500 million in funding, which is really cool... he was having one on ones with Robert Kiyosaki last week on a cruise ship, and then this week, he's going to Laos to work on a city consult thing in Laos."
Legal Structure Development
Camara: "I was working with some lawyers yesterday on the legal structure for the organization because it's something I haven't been able to really pin down yet, so I'm still working on that. But now I have some volunteer lawyers."
4. Michael Smith / Regenetag Update
Discussion of Camara's previous partnership with inventor Michael Smith revealed ongoing challenges:
Business Success but Partnership Frustration
Camara: "The prototype unit in Montana is in full production now. And they are shipping product and designing new products... There's so much interest. There's just hundreds of people that want to build them and own them and run them."
Founder Syndrome Issues
Camara: "Regenetag has founder syndrome, and they need a business development team, and they won't let anybody help them. So I took a step back because it was getting frustrating."
Gary: "Founder syndrome, as in... They don't trust anybody and I have to do everything their way, and don't take advice."
Camara: "Yeah. Very interesting. I'm like, I'm like in a kind of a moment of truth situation with this... all these, like, brilliant people that have been including both you and I probably, but been burned so much, they can't they get in their own way."
5. Gary's AI Bootcamp & Professional Development
Gary shared details about his recent educational and professional journey:
AI Bootcamp Experience
Gary: "I did this AI boot camp from January through end of March... three months. I graduate from that, got a consulting gig with this AI tech billionaire dude."
The bootcamp structure: "Online for one month, and then it was in person for two months... kind of like a pop up campus type thing."
Values Clarification Through Work Experience
Gary: "It really just taught me that I cannot work with someone that just focuses on making money. I'm not saying there's no merit to what he's doing. It's just pretty soulless. It feels too soulless for me to stay here. So it just really tested my convictions on a lot of things."
6. Tulsa Opportunity & Future Considerations
Gary discussed a potential opportunity that mirrors Camara's previous work:
Similar Inventor Collaboration
Gary: "I reconnected with the Michael Smith Smith sort of equivalent in Tulsa, and we'll see if there's a real opportunity for me to step in in the way that we talked about... Still thinking about moving to Tulsa, like very soon. to help commercialize inventions for humanity."
Natural Disaster Concerns
Gary: "It's also just in general, like, it's not... not in a rush to, like, purchase a property until I feel like a better idea of where I would feel safe to invest in."
Camara: "The tornadoes are getting really bad... if you're thinking of moving to Tulsa, be sure to get a place that has extra safety features."
7. Philosophical & Spiritual Perspectives
Both participants shared their worldview during challenging times:
Biblical Times Perspective
Gary: "I don't know, it feels like a biblical time right now."
Camara: "Yeah, it sure does, doesn't it? Just... Which is is great in a lot of ways in most ways, 'cause it's just, it's time to step up. It's painful, though, I think there's it's gonna be very very difficult for most people that don't understand that the spiritual realm is a real thing and also that we've done a lot of damage to the Earth."
Faith and Leadership Critique
Camara: "I'm gonna keep having faith, and trust that God has a plan... There's almost, like, no other options. Like, our leaders are a joke. They cover up."
Discussion included references to Jeffrey Epstein cover-ups and criticism of public figures:
Camara: "All these people are exposing themselves, Jay Z, Diddy, all of them are just clowns. Evil. Clown is not even the right word. It's just evil. They're evil people."
8. Personal Growth & Learning Perspective
Despite the financial trauma, Camara maintained a philosophical outlook:
Camara: "I feel like I was meant to have experienced all these different things, including with the Janine stuff a little over a year ago, right? I feel like I was meant to experience everything and learn lessons. So it's overall grateful for everything."
9. Neurodiversity Discussion
An interesting tangent emerged about thinking patterns:
Camara: "My son told me yesterday that he doesn't think in words. And I remember you saying that you don't think in words."
Gary: "Ask him if he has an inner monologue. Maybe not. Aphantasia."
Camara: "But yeah, the neurodiversity is so interesting. I think we're all designed to play different roles."
10. Conclusion & Future Plans
The conversation concluded with mutual support and planning:
Camara's Recovery Needs
Camara: "I can't use my computer until I wipe it. And I know I need to change all my passwords on everything, but I don't know how to do that without my computer right now."
Reconnection Plans
Camara: "Well, it was good to hear from you, Gary. I'll touch base, and we'll plan another call, maybe in a week or so."
Gary: "Yeah, sounds good. Very good to hear your voice."
Key Themes & Insights
Resilience Under Pressure
Despite losing all her money to a sophisticated scam, Camara maintained perspective about other positive aspects of her life and projects.
Professional Values vs. Financial Gain
Both participants expressed the importance of meaningful work over purely profit-driven endeavors.
Brilliant Minds with Trust Issues
The conversation revealed a pattern of brilliant inventors (Michael Smith, Gary's Tulsa contact) who become their own obstacles due to past betrayals or burning.
Spiritual Worldview During Crisis
Both participants viewed current global challenges through a spiritual lens, seeing opportunities for growth and purpose despite difficulties.
Friendship as Anchor
Gary's call provided emotional support for Camara during a traumatic time, demonstrating the value of their long-term friendship.
Action Items & Follow-ups
- Camara's Recovery: Need to wipe computer, change all passwords, continue FBI/police cooperation
- Masterminding Eden: Continue legal structure development and team building
- Gary's Tulsa Decision: Evaluate inventor collaboration opportunity
- Reconnection: Plan follow-up call in approximately one week
- Mutual Support: Continue providing emotional and professional support during transitions
Notable Quotes
- On the scam: "They were so professional, like, even the websites that they had me go to looked like the real deal."
- On trauma state: "My emotions are kind of in a trauma state, I think... hearing from you makes me feel happy in a sea of otherwise shit."
- On founder syndrome: "All these, like, brilliant people... have been burned so much, they can't they get in their own way."
- On purpose-driven work: "I cannot work with someone that just focuses on making money... It feels too soulless for me."
- On current times: "It feels like a biblical time right now... it's time to step up."
- On faith: "I'm gonna keep having faith, and trust that God has a plan."
- On learning: "I feel like I was meant to experience everything and learn lessons."