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Gary Sheng & Nait Jones: Spiritual Brotherhood & Tech Industry Spiritual Warfare
Date: July 29, 2025
Location: Palomino Coffee, Austin, TX
Duration: 4+ hours
Participants: Gary Sheng, Nait Jones
Executive Summary
A profound 4+ hour conversation between Gary Sheng and Nait Jones at Palomino Coffee in Austin, revealing deep spiritual alignment and mutual recognition of prophetic calling to minister to tech industry leaders. The conversation covered spiritual warfare in technology, family challenges, cultural critique of entertainment, insider perspectives on Silicon Valley corruption, and recognition of shared ministry calling as "prophets to kings of industry."
Key Themes
1. Spiritual Warfare in Family and Technology
Nait's Mother's Recovery Journey Nait revealed ongoing challenges with his mother's stroke recovery, including severe panic attacks and memory issues:
"Staff at the hospital call me. Good people. Really good people call me. Hey, I don't know if you can make it out here but your mom's having a very tough day today. Like really tough. We're concerned for her. We think you should come out."
Family as Spiritual Battleground Both men recognized family dynamics as spiritual warfare testing ground:
"Kudos to them. They don't run away from it. So my job as a dad is kind of like creating space for them. How do you feel about that? It's okay to talk about it. How's it affecting you? It's not selfish for you to say how it affects you too."
Marriage as Divine Testing Nait shared how God tested his current wife during his wilderness period:
"After she met me then things really went bad for me. Like five or six personal tragedies happened in my life. Financial tragedies happened I completely ruined. And God was like I let that happen to show you who she is."
2. Cultural Programming and Spiritual Discernment
Hip-Hop as Anti-Christ Religion Gary articulated his evolved understanding of music's spiritual impact:
"I was realizing that hip-hop culture is like really not good. It's all about lust and flexing... I can't say that hip-hop is basically an anti-Christ religion if I encourage people to listen to it."
Frequency-Based Spiritual Warfare Both recognized music as frequency programming:
Gary: "I used to think that there needed to be like Christian trap music because I didn't think about the nature of frequencies because I thought it was just the words I thought it was like lyrics but it's literally it's literally whether it's because we have associated those frequencies and 808s with debauchery."
K-Pop as Demonic Programming Gary provided comprehensive analysis of K-pop as spiritual warfare:
"They call their stars idols. They call their training camps idol factories... It's the reality though too. Right? It's an accurate word. Because if you talk to a K-pop fan they're completely fixated on someone they've never met that's also completely manufactured."
3. Silicon Valley Spiritual Warfare and Corruption
A16Z Racial Dynamics Nait revealed systematic racism at Andreessen Horowitz:
"I was like, hey, that doesn't make sense, what we just said in that meeting, for these reasons. Did anybody consider that? And it was like, no, you're fucking placed. You shouldn't even be here. You're lucky to be here. You're a black dude. Be happier here and shut up."
Tech Leaders' Spiritual Condition Gary assessed white Silicon Valley leaders:
"I think most white people don't actually believe in God. I feel like most of them don't actually believe in God, but feel the presence of God. It's a cultural adoption, not a spiritual adoption."
Naval Ravikant Assessment Both recognized Naval's spiritual condition:
Gary: "Can I get your psychoanalysis on Naval Ravikant?" Nait: "I think he's probably a psychopath. My radar goes way off of him. He's cloaked really good his cloak is almost too good."
4. Kanye West Insider Perspective
Pablo Era Breakdown Witness Nait provided unprecedented insider account of Kanye's mental breakdown:
"I was around him directly for 3 years in between Yeezus and Pablo... I watched him literally go insane during Pablo recordings I literally watched him go from normal to an insane person during those recordings... during the period of recording I literally watched it happen."
Kim Kardashian Affair Impact Nait revealed the real reason for Kanye's breakdown:
"Between us Kim started cheating on him and then that really fucked with him... it fucked with his confidence his image of who he is it messed him up."
Creative Genius vs Spiritual Health Nait analyzed Kanye's gifts becoming curses:
"What makes Ye great is what also is his biggest weakness. He fixates on things. His ability to fixate produces incredible art... The dark side of that though is that when he fixates on things that don't serve him they don't turn on him. They reveal what they are."
5. Prophetic Calling Recognition
Nait's 16-Year-Old Prophecy Nait shared the prophetic word that defined his calling:
"This prophetess came to my church... And she got to me. She goes, Business. God's gonna put you before kings of industry. To convert them. Because you're a prophet."
Gary's Force Multiplication Calling Gary positioned himself as strategic supporter for kingdom advancement:
"I think God put me on earth to force multiply... I really believe my ministry is just protecting you."
Ben Horowitz Spiritual Journey Nait revealed his ongoing ministry to Ben Horowitz:
"There is a born again person. Okay. In a strategically placed in his heart... He's said things recently that are like... Like he's becoming woke. Awakened... He's like, yeah, that entire thing is just set up to undermine Christianity specifically. It's evil."
6. AI and Technology Ethics
ChatGPT as Demonic Programming Both recognized AI's spiritual dangers:
Nait: "Chat GPT is dangerous. It's very sycophantic... 80% of those 15% are undiagnosed and don't know they have a mental illness and are on Chat GPT all day long. There's a lot of people that are going to endure AI psychosis."
Cognitive Security Ministry Need Nait predicted coming ministry requirement:
"Cogsec cognitive security is going to become a big thing... Ministries are going to have to learn how to apply biblical principles around Cogsec because 15% of their congregation is going to be suffering from Chat GPT psychosis."
7. Joe Liemandt and Alpha Schools Critique
"Right Observation, Wrong Conclusion" Assessment Nait applied his pattern recognition framework directly to Joe Liemandt:
"Pattern Recognition: 'Right observation, wrong conclusion' - describes Joe Liemandt perfectly"
Scandal Prediction and FTX Comparison Nait issued stark warnings about Alpha Schools' future:
"I think there's a scandal coming and I think you'd be best just to be very very far away when that happens... do you know what it reminds me of? It's FTX"
Alpha Schools as Fraudulent Operation Gary revealed his assessment with Nait's validation:
Gary: "I've texted friends that I, you know, trust in the organization that started when I started and I was like, there's one friend that's like, unless Joe authentically gets reborn through Christ there's no chance" Gary: "Developed comprehensive critique of Alpha Schools as 'fake' with Joe Liemandt positioned as potentially 'Satan' for making people hate education innovators"
Spiritual Warfare Warning Nait recognized spiritual deception in the Alpha Schools operation:
"I think the Holy Spirit is warning you to distance yourself from that because I think you don't even know the half of probably what's going on and there's probably a scandal coming and you don't want to be associated"
Character Assessment Nait provided brutal assessment of Joe's spiritual condition and leadership:
"The problems are from his ego because it's all about him and it's fine if it's all about you if you're great but he's not great at this even when you're great at it it's going to be very rocky imagine it being rocky and you're not good at it"
10-Year Renovation Requirement Nait assessed the scale of change Joe would need:
"The type of behavioral and personality renovation that would have to take place is almost so extreme that it's almost better if someone else runs it... What's ahead of him is a 10 year journey even if he chooses to go on"
8. Strategic Life Transitions
Gary's Alpha Schools Distance Gary shared his strategic withdrawal from Alpha Schools:
"I during this trip in Florida, a family trip, this guy that was almost like glorified posse when they're out... if I don't clear up that I don't know how else to describe it. I have lust demons for my own life. It's hard for me to demand that I surround myself with better people."
Substance Discernment Both discussed intentional approach to substances:
Gary: "I genuinely do believe that mushrooms have had a net positive effect on my life, but to whatever extent well, there's a lot of reasons why I came to Christ, but I'm happy where I'm at and I want to increasingly rely on him." Nait: "Once it becomes a crutch, that's when it becomes your guide... Because you shouldn't need anything."
9. Race, Power, and Spiritual Warfare
Black Excellence as Threat Nait analyzed systemic suppression of black achievement:
"There's an incredible thirst to reinforce this notion that black people have not contributed to the hard and material sciences of American innovation... So, Dr. Alexander flies directly in the face of that notion."
Spiritual vs Cultural Christianity Gary observed cultural Christianity among tech leaders:
"I don't feel any presence of God inside a lot of these people that wear a cross. That's why I was thinking about getting one made for myself... I want them to feel it even if they can't even explain what they're feeling."
10. Future Vision and Collaboration
Community Building Vision Nait shared his tea house vision:
"The cafe, whenever it opens up, is going to attract the right kind of people... It's either like a very commercialized thing like Starbucks or it's even closed after a certain amount of time... And then the default options is just like pure temptation."
Music Ministry Development Nait outlined spiritual music vision:
"I want to create an album of frequency music that I myself can listen to... if I can listen to it there's going to be people that can listen to it... I want to create we were literally talking about I want to create an album of frequency music."
11. Divine Appointment Recognition
Timing and Purpose Both recognized their meeting as divinely orchestrated:
Gary: "I'm grateful to to have had many weeks now to just think about what I feel called to do and let's go." Nait: "Clarity is beautiful. Clarity once you know that's 90% of the battle it's just labor after that it's just work ethic after that clarity is clarity of purpose."
Mutual Prayer and Blessing The conversation concluded with mutual intercessory prayer recognizing their spiritual brotherhood and shared calling to minister truth in the technology industry.
Key Quotes
On Spiritual Warfare:
"Spiritual warfare is real. My sleep has been so disturbed lately. Spiritual warfare. It's so intense."
On Ministry Calling:
"I'm going to bring you back but you're not going to be the same person. You're not going to be that person. We're going to bring you back. It's different this time."
On Tech Industry Corruption:
"Silicon Valley decided, oh, we're going to elevate Palmer Luckey. Based on what? Like, Anduril is a total brute force company."
On Joe Liemandt and Alpha Schools:
"Right observation, wrong conclusion - describes Joe Liemandt perfectly" "I think there's a scandal coming and I think you'd be best just to be very very far away when that happens" "Do you know what it reminds me of? It's FTX"
On Cultural Programming:
"They appeal to your ego. You're so smart. You're so this. You're so that. You're the man. Go out. You feel that way. You get attention."
On Divine Timing:
"God looks at me as being in the same boat as him at that point in time. Because who are you to point a finger at them?"
Strategic Implications
- Mutual Recognition: Both men recognized each other as prophetic voices called to minister to tech industry leaders
- Spiritual Warfare Readiness: Sophisticated understanding of demonic activity in technology and entertainment
- Cultural Discernment: Clear framework for evaluating cultural influences through spiritual lens
- Network Integration: Potential for combining Gary's strategic networks with Nait's Silicon Valley access for kingdom advancement
- Technology Ethics: Shared vision for faith-centered approach to AI and technology development
Conclusion
This conversation revealed two mature Christian men recognizing their shared prophetic calling to speak truth to power in the technology industry. Their combination of insider Silicon Valley access, spiritual discernment, and willingness to speak controversial truths positions them uniquely for cultural influence and ministry to tech leaders. The divine timing of their friendship during both men's transition periods suggests orchestrated preparation for significant kingdom advancement work.