Extended Conversation: Gary Sheng, Brenda Gentry, Simba Gentry, Imani Gentry - Liberty, Texas Pre-Encounter Church Discussion

Date: September 6, 2025
Location: Holiday Inn, Liberty, Texas
Duration: Extended evening conversation
Context: Pre-service discussion before attending Apostle Delmar Coward Jr.'s Encounter Church
Participants: Gary Sheng (@gary-sheng.md), Brenda Gentry (@brenda-gentry.md), Simba Gentry (@simba-gentry.md), Imani Gentry (@imani-gentry.md)

Executive Summary

This extensive conversation represents a pivotal moment in Gary Sheng's spiritual journey and ministry calling development. The discussion covers profound theological topics including spiritual gifts, healing ministry, deliverance, false teachers, end-times prophecy, and the nature of authentic revival. Brenda Gentry demonstrates sophisticated prophetic discernment and spiritual warfare knowledge, while Gary processes his transformation from atheism to evangelistic calling. The conversation reveals deep insights into the current spiritual climate, the corruption of mainstream Christianity, and the emergence of authentic revival movements.

Key Themes and Insights

Spiritual Gifts and Healing Ministry

The conversation opens with a theological discussion about the role of faith in healing miracles, referencing Mark 6 where Jesus "did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith." Brenda explains the dual nature of healing faith:

Brenda: "I think there are two parts to that... Because sometimes the faith is just on the person like on the apostle. And sometimes it's the other way around... didn't repent or didn't forgive... because of unbelief he wasn't able to do a lot."

Gary proposes an innovative educational concept:

Gary: "I think school-wise, I think that there should kind of be like a not demonic Hogwarts. Like wouldn't Apostle and his crew be good at teaching like little kids how to be like warriors... like superheroes in the faith?"

Brenda confirms this vision with practical examples:

Brenda: "Yeah, they do because one of the girls I think she's 12... Andrea's daughter... she's healed people... she came over and we were cooking and... she say I was hoping for uncle to pray for the food... Things that we don't think about those young kids are already like... Her mind's already thinking."

The Nine Gifts of the Spirit

Brenda provides detailed teaching on developing spiritual gifts:

Brenda: "Being in the spirit... Kenneth Hagan had that... because they were teaching... Then you get that anointing... The Holy Spirit is the one that's giving us that gift... I really would like the spirit of discernment... especially in business when you get around some people and you're like, okay... one of the things that they do... is also... prayer and fasting... to harness it... Building your spirit more than your flesh."

She explains the comprehensive nature of spiritual gifts:

Brenda: "You can get all nine gifts of the spirit... I know one person that did operate in all them was the late Kenneth Hagan. He operated in all nine... Prophecy healing miracles speaking in tongues interpretation of tongues Words of wisdom words of knowledge and discernment all nine of them."

Gary's Spiritual Journey and Calling

Gary shares his background and spiritual awakening:

Gary: "I grew up where this kind of conversation was like pretty normal... Everyone's so like in their secular universe... it's hard to like convince people into something... I think signs and wonders are... have always been how Christ's message has gone out so I think I just feel like it's a really exciting time."

Brenda recognizes Gary's evangelistic calling:

Brenda: "You know when you're in the spirit when you pass from food... at the beginning of the year when I had evangelism It was very clear evangelism... he said that God put him put me My family on his spirit for us to be part of their ministry In that office... you have been you are you're looking into Evangelism... that desire you didn't put yours... God put that in you the desire to evangelize."

False Teachers and Spiritual Discernment

The conversation takes a significant turn when discussing false teachers, particularly T.D. Jakes:

Brenda: "I gotta tell you what you didn't see this online... in my dream he was wearing a lingerie... it wasn't a woman sleeping Gown... it just looked very... my husband always say that guy is so fruity... His messages are just watered down motivational speeches... when god revealed to me this man is wearing that that's god saying this is not a man He's dressed in a woman's thing like he's this is not a man So, yeah, I believe he's gay."

She provides shocking details about attempted deliverance:

Brenda: "When they found out that tdj son was gay they had... A powerful minister who wanted to cast out the spirit and they would all come in the... room... and any when he when he... The spirit of D.D. Jakes always walked out. He always walked out... every time they were getting ready to cast the spirit out from the son... They weren't able to... Because, obviously, the foundation is..."

Homosexuality as a Deliverable Spirit

Gary and Brenda discuss the controversial topic of homosexuality as a spiritual issue:

Gary: "Is gayness a spirit?"

Brenda: "It is a spirit."

Gary: "Can you cast it out?"

Brenda: "Of course."

Brenda provides practical examples:

Brenda: "Oh, there's a couple at El Cona that came in gay, but now they're not together anymore. They had their... two girls, they found out that they were in a... biblical relationship. And Apostle cast that spirit out of... he can tell you."

Gary's Family Background and Generational Calling

A profound revelation emerges about Gary's spiritual heritage:

Gary: "So you didn't go to church at all when you were young?"

Brenda: "No, no, I just been looking for purpose my whole life... I chose christianity... After a lot... crypto was my religion for like a year... during the coveted years."

Brenda: "No, I think your parents are believers. So god's just calling you To sell a seed to in them... That's a big honor... He chose you... You're higher up."

Gary reveals his grandmother's influence:

Gary: "My grandma crying on facetime... She cried on the facetime saying believe in god... To believe in god It was like a normal call and then she just started breaking down in tears."

Brenda prophesies over Gary's calling:

Brenda: "There are people... There was someone praying for him... That deep Wanting to really... that deep search And wanting to know the truth. That's not you doing it That's your granny... putting you before god and god putting that desire in you so You're gonna change the world You're gonna preach to millions in china and africa and asia."

End Times and the Rapture

Brenda shares her understanding of rapture theology:

Brenda: "The only people going to heaven will see jesus... when he's coming That's why that's why if i'm sitting here with you and I see him i'm gone and you're good... People don't know that that's how it's happening."

She connects this to current revival movements:

Brenda: "Have you been on tiktok... if you see the number of people having ruptured It's growing... there's no generation in history that so many people had ruptured... in joel 228 he say in the last days you're going to see visions you're going to dream dreams."

Tithing and Biblical Prosperity

The conversation addresses controversial prosperity theology:

Brenda: "No, no tithing... You're not tithing to a man. You're tithing because God says You have a thousand dollars out of thousand dollars in I'm asking for the 10% so that I can bless the 90%... Everything in this Bible... whether it's Old Testament or New Testament... he says he's gonna rebuke the devourer for my sake."

Simba shares their personal testimony:

Simba: "He was saying... you have to have that discernment... Don't type to people who are money-hungry who come in who don't even start the service He'll be like pull out your wallet... He was talking about... The ones that... take advantage of people."

Spiritual Warfare and Authority

Brenda teaches on spiritual authority:

Brenda: "Churches are not teaching about authority. People are dying, going to hell, not knowing they have authority over the devil. People are scared of the devil. Imagine being scared of the creation instead of the creator."

She shares her personal testimony:

Brenda: "There were times when I was telling my mom... I would feel a presence and I would start to fear, like a demonic presence... my husband would be sleeping there, right next to me. Not even know... my mom... said, Just say Jesus... when I started getting deeper in my faith and deeper in the spirit, nothing... I started laughing. I felt like... Satan, get out of here. I know that's you. Get out in Jesus' name. And disappeared. I know who I am."

The Current Spiritual Climate

Gary observes the broader cultural context:

Gary: "People are looking for something real People are looking for something to give hope... You can't name a single institution right now that people really believe in in america or the world Do they believe in the un? Do they believe in? The military they believe in Our school systems like no none of it... everyone's like grifter, right everyone's bullshit."

Brenda connects this to spiritual reality:

Brenda: "I personally I fear for those who have no I don't even know how people make it as atheists. How do they even?"

Ministry Vision and Documentary Calling

The conversation culminates in discussing their collaborative ministry vision:

Brenda: "I have a deep desire to do a documentary... we can talk to... this documentary where we're like, okay people don't understand what the rupture is... what we're... our What's the objective here is to let you know? I've had a rupture... I would want to interview billy brim as well she's 86 she's 85... She's out of missouri... She has talked about israel too."

Gary articulates his role:

Gary: "I think like what I can help people do is understand what's happening here... in context of the rest of the stuff... Really good communication and content... When people come... they get a contextualized experience."

Trinity and Theological Understanding

The conversation concludes with deep theological discussion:

Brenda: "Do you know Jesus is God?... People think we have three Gods. There's only one God... Do you know how water is in three forms? Ice, when you freeze it. And heat, when you boil it. Steam, when you boil it... God. He came on Earth. Jesus. He sent His Spirit. Holy Spirit... One God."

She explains her prayer life:

Brenda: "Father God is the Father... Jesus, My Savior... He's my eldest brother, But He's my Lord and Savior too... And then you have the Holy Spirit, He's our comforter... He's my guide, My teacher, my best friend... when I do, Start my day, Good morning, Father, Good morning, Jesus, Good morning, Holy Spirit."

Significant Quotes and Revelations

On Spiritual Gifts and Authority

Brenda: "The Holy Spirit knows? The gifts that's gonna suit your personality because some people Would take advantage of that gift of knowledge in a way that's not God."

On Revival and End Times

Brenda: "To me this feels like the beginning of What we've been waiting for since azusa Azusa street revival in the early 1900s... Since it lasted between from 1906 to 1909... they haven't had any revival like that since so what when I walked into... encounter in liberty That anointing is so heavy."

On Gary's Calling

Brenda: "You were born to do this. This is your calling. You were born to do this... You will bring them to christ... you will lead them to christ for sure."

On Spiritual Warfare

Gary: "Once you know how to use your authority." Brenda: "But yeah, I'm excited for encounter tomorrow. I want us to just meet them and see how you can." Gary: "Yeah, I'm excited. The Holy Spirit will tell me what to say."

On False Revival vs. True Revival

Gary: "My issue with that is that College kids are so social That they'll just do whatever is like hot... It's irresponsible because... you might think oh I hit the water now, I'm good... I feel like that was a kind of a fake revival."

On Current Spiritual Climate

Gary: "The more that my spirit has matured... The more that Austin has felt not the right place for me... It's a very fake Christian culture."

Strategic Implications

This conversation reveals several strategic elements for kingdom advancement:

1. Generational Calling Recognition: Gary carries a generational Christian legacy through his Chinese great-grandfather's faith, positioning him for significant evangelistic impact in Asia.

2. Documentary Ministry Vision: The collaboration between Gary and Brenda represents a strategic partnership for documenting authentic revival movements and exposing false teaching.

3. Educational Innovation: The discussion of spiritual education alternatives suggests potential for developing Christian formation programs outside traditional systems.

4. Deliverance Ministry Documentation: The conversation reveals opportunities to document authentic deliverance ministry, particularly regarding controversial topics like homosexual spirits.

5. Cross-Cultural Ministry: Gary's background and calling position him for unique ministry to both Western and Asian populations.

Conclusion

This conversation represents a pivotal moment in Gary Sheng's spiritual development and ministry calling. The depth of theological discussion, prophetic revelation, and strategic ministry planning demonstrates the significance of this divine appointment. Brenda Gentry's sophisticated spiritual discernment and Gary's journalistic background create a powerful partnership for documenting and communicating authentic revival movements. The conversation sets the stage for significant ministry developments, including the documentation of Encounter Church's healing ministry and the broader investigation of authentic revival movements worldwide.

The timing of this meeting, Gary's spiritual journey from atheism to evangelistic calling, and the family's prophetic ministry background all point to divine orchestration for kingdom advancement on a global scale. The conversation concludes with clear direction for collaborative ministry work focused on truth, healing, and authentic spiritual awakening in a generation hungry for genuine spiritual reality.