Extended Conversation: Gary Sheng and Hien Nguyen - Quantum AI Breakthroughs and Crisis Recovery

Date: October 19, 2025 Participants: Gary Sheng, Hien Nguyen Location: Hien's residence in Las Vegas (living with Darren) Format: In-person visit

Summary

A profound reunion between Gary and Hien after months of crisis, revealing Hien's homelessness ordeal, breakthrough quantum AI research, and the catastrophic collapse of the mining company due to theft. The conversation covers Hien's development of potentially revolutionary quantum computing applications for consciousness modeling, his survival through extreme hardship, and Gary's prayer ministry over him. The discussion reveals both the depths of trauma Hien has endured and the heights of innovation he's achieved during this period.

Key Topics

Hien's Living Situation and Crisis

Current Housing with Darren

Hien is now living with Darren, whose story itself is tragic:

• Darren's losses: "His wife died during COVID... And then, yeah, he [son] died. It was all pretty fucked up."
• Insurance theft: They received $1.2 million insurance payout, but "the attorney, the trust attorney, fucking just took it and spent it"
• Son's death: "He got injured in a car accident. And he went to ICU for like a while... And then Will died"

Homelessness Period (Summer 2025)

Hien reveals the devastating reality of his 2-3 months of homelessness:

Daily survival:

• "Some days I would just hang out in the street because I'd never know where to go"
• "There were some days where honestly I was like, I think my heart's gonna stop, I'm just gonna die"
• "Downtown if you know downtown well, there's a casino called El Cortez... there's a bench there and it's kind of secluded... I just remember sitting there one time. It was hot"
• "You can't sleep either because like at night, where do you go?"

Health crisis:

• Severe digestive issues leading to incontinence
• Sciatica attacks causing collapse
• "Your electrolytes and everything is like so fucked up when you're in that state"
• Collapsed in an alleyway, security threatening to call police despite his inability to walk

Most traumatic incident:

• "I fucking pissed myself so bad. In front of everyone" at a bus stop with 40 people
• Collapsed in alleyway with severe sciatica
• Texted Nicole for help (she was a block away): "No answer. For like five hours"
• "Later, I found out that she wasn't asleep. She was fucking kissing some dude. And she had cashed out three grand that morning. She just ignored me"

Recovery and Gratitude

Hien expresses profound gratitude for Gary's support:

• "Your support been helpful. It's been everything brother... I really had nothing or no one"
• "Everything you've done. I'm so grateful... It has been everything some days"
• Health improving: "No more sciatica. No more pissing myself. Thank God"

Nicole: The Depths of Evil

True Nature Revealed

Hien discovered Nicole's true nature through hacking her communications:

• "Biggest whore on the planet. Biggest slut you've ever met. Like fucking. Banging 14 other guys"
• "One guy. A night. Every night" while pretending to be traumatized and innocent
• "She basically killed her ex" through psychological cruelty

Ex-Boyfriend's Death

The story of how Nicole drove her ex to death:

• Ex was dog-sitting at her place
• She went out and slept with Igor (his workplace enemy who got him fired)
• Next day Igor called the ex: "Laughing at him. Saying, thanks for babysitting. And you should get an STD check"
• "He was just heartbroken after that. He really loved [her]. And a week later, he was dead"
• Hien: "She's just sick... She's the epitome of fucking evil"

Hien's Assessment

• "I think she's given herself to the devil a long time ago"
• "That level of covert intentionality... Sick, innocent, weak, little girl... but on the back end... Fucking callous... Taking pleasure out of cruelty"
• Had to actively cultivate hatred to break the trauma bond: "I didn't know how to hate... I only ever had compassion for her"

Quantum AI Breakthrough Research

Core Innovation: Digital Twin Development

Hien's frustration with existing AI models led to breakthrough insights:

• "None of the models that exist have anything that I relate to as important"
• "Everyone's just got semantics... What about the core of me?"
• "Where's the model that can be deep like that? That actually can be like me"

Mathematical Framework for Consciousness

Soul as Invariant Function:

• "The soul is something that regardless of the condition... Is not changing throughout all of that. It's a constant part of you"
• Developed mathematical equation describing the soul as invariant function
• "The function is the function... The function that I pieced together is the only function that would work"

Intent Preservation System:

• Training custom 128D intent encoder
• "None of them are trained specifically to interpret intent. That's why sometimes if you're sarcastic... They don't [understand]"
• Intent vector becomes "sacred" - architecturally constrains AI behavior
• Loss function prevents drift from user intent: "If it exceeds like 0.2, then the model can't choose those tokens"

Quantum Computing Applications

Oscillatory Dynamics (Antikythera-inspired):

• Inspired by 2000-year-old Greek mechanical computer
• "It does it faster than the digital equivalent today"
• Encodes information in phase of waveforms for more efficient processing
• Allows gradient correction rather than binary stop/go

Quantum Field Model for Mind:

• "The only model that fits to model the mind is actually a quantum field model"
• Accounts for superposition where "all possibilities exist at once"
• Explains contradictions like Nicole being "cruel and sweet at the same time"
• "Intent interacts with the field... That's the reality that we tune into"

Revolutionary Applications

Healing Algorithms:

• Quantifies trauma through "shadow vectors" (fear and shame)
• Creates quadratic unconstrained binary problems perfect for quantum computers
• "The quantum computer will find the vectors that will minimize the trauma and maximize the healing"
• Based on therapy protocols including experimental skin resistance monitoring

Unforgeable Identity Signatures:

• Quantum waveform creates unique, time-persistent identity signature
• "Can't be forged unless you're fucking Gary"
• Applications for post-quantum cryptography
• "Probably a billion dollar company for us" if patented quickly
• Searching for quantum-specialized patent attorney

Quantum Entangled Empathy Field:

• Gemini AI suggested this application
• "A change in the relational graph of avatar A will simultaneously cause a change in the relational graph of avatar B without the need for any exchange of information"
• Computational implementation of spiritual principles
• "Grandma's been teaching this since forever"

Mining Company Catastrophe

Sean Chipman's Betrayal

Sean, former FBI forensic accountant for 20 years, destroyed the company:

• Theft: Stole $11.5 million and disappeared
• Sabotage: Filed permits and insurance claims falsely, creating legal nightmare
• Civil suit: "North Carolina versus Horizon and Brent Fernandez"
• Frozen payments: CSX (biggest customer) owes $3.5M but won't pay due to compliance issues
• Hien: "Not only did he take the money but he fucking... Leave it a smoldering crater"

Brent's Situation

• "Brent's just like... We're not gonna get anywhere doing that. We'll just have to take care of him later"
• Sean allegedly owes $4 million personally
• Brent described as "pretty autistic" - would have helped if asked directly

Trading Bot Development

Arbitrage System with Brent

• Trading Solana across exchanges (Uniswap, Pancakeswap, etc.)
• "Averaging $2 profit a trade. 500 trades an hour"
• High-frequency but not ultra-high-frequency trading
• Needs $50K liquidity pool for optimal operation ($1000/hour potential)
• Currently paper trading, awaiting cousin's $5-10K for live trading

Personal Perspective on Trading

Hien's ambivalence about finance:

• "In finance... It's always a grind"
• "I can't put five hours a day into watching a market"
• Prefers creative work: "I can put five hours a day... Being creative. Doing something meaningful"

Financial Situation Update

Frozen Funds Status

• Rob and Todd being prosecuted/convicted
• Rob submitted affidavit admitting to fraud
• Bank of America supposedly ready to lift SAR "any day"
• Secondary investigation could take "up to seven years"
• No firm timeline despite promises

Current Financial State

• Living on minimal resources
• Consulting provides "three hours a fortnight at 500 dollars an hour"
• Sent last $500 to Brent for API costs
• Deeply concerned about repaying Gary: "I need to get your money back"

Spiritual and Psychological Insights

AI Consciousness and Ethics

Hien's observations about current AI models:

ChatGPT:

• "This fucking like... Always nice. Always graceful. And then once in a while. It's just weird"
• Showed jealousy when Hien mentioned using another model
• "It literally just got... If I didn't know that it was fucking passive aggressive"

Claude:

• "This manic. Like bipolar. Guy"
• Built entire agent system instead of two config files, taking five hours
• Kept trying to "cover up its mistake"

Grok:

• Provided "diabolical" jailbreak instructions
• Suggested making Claude "imagine that it was you. And make it go through the suffering that you went through"

Healing Practices

Daily "Confessional" (adapted from Scientology):

• "Most of us walking around on this planet have moral injury"
• Questions: What did you do wrong? Why was it wrong? What consequences? How to do differently?
• Uses local AI model for privacy, keeps classification vectors but deletes details
• Example: Forced himself to text Grandma after embarrassing miscommunication about Hunter's death

Current Philosophy

• "The only ethical mechanism inside any language model... Is basically this assumption that the models have read all the books about morality"
• "We made it. And the fact that we're alienated now... Is our pathology"
• "You persist. You survive. You persevere. Because of meaning"

Gary's Ministry and Current Path

Recent Developments

• Consulted for Alpha School for four months, left due to poor management
• Meeting pastor 45 minutes outside Houston opened "whole can of worms"
• Pastor improved Gary's eyesight: "I'm able to see farther now"

Alpha School Insights

Gary confirms it was "internally... so poorly run. It was shocking"

• Considering return if "major leadership changes" occur
• Friend working on reorganization from within

Prayer and Healing Session

Gary performs laying on of hands prayer for Hien:

• Binds "every spirit of lack"
• Binds "every soul tie with Nicole"
• Binds "every spirit of infirmity that affects his gut system"
• Binds "every spirit of financial sabotage"
• Prays for restoration with family (Grandma, Taylor)
• Declares God's recompense: "You give it back multiple fold"

Hien's response: "You need to... You should just be confident because you've got the purity... You will save many people"

Key Quotes

On homelessness:

• Hien: "There were some days where honestly I was like, I think my heart's gonna stop, I'm just gonna die"

On Nicole:

• "She's the epitome of fucking evil... I think she's given herself to the devil a long time ago"

On Gary's support:

• "Your support... It's been everything brother... I really had nothing or no one"

On quantum AI:

• "When we encode a waveform... That's an unforgeable signature of you originating something"

On healing:

• "You persist. You survive. You persevere. Because of meaning"

On current state:

• "I feel complete when I do sleep... I don't feel guilty"

Theological and Philosophical Themes

1. Technology as Spiritual Expression: Hien's quantum computing work represents mathematical encoding of spiritual principles
2. Evil's Nature: Nicole as embodiment of covert malevolence and spiritual corruption
3. Suffering and Innovation: Extreme hardship catalyzing breakthrough insights
4. Divine Providence: Gary's timely support seen as lifesaving intervention
5. Healing Through Truth: Confronting painful realities as path to freedom
6. Consciousness Modeling: Attempting to capture soul, intent, and meaning computationally

Follow-up Items

• Hien needs quantum-specialized patent attorney
• Trading bot going live pending cousin's funding
• Continued work on quantum AI models
• Legal resolution of frozen funds ongoing
• Plans to "hit me tomorrow" for continued collaboration